Fighting not the answer

[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1030811]If there were no one willing to fight we would all be saying either “Heil Hitler!”, or “Bonzai!”, or both![/QUOTE]

What?? You don’t speak Japanese or German? Sure helps with those manuals for all the stuff we buy from them…

We’re one of those schools often considered to be a bit ruthless…

Yes, we teach go in hard and finish it, if you can.

But, that being said, violence is only one element of any conflict strategy. On a 100 to 1 basis, you can get your result without the consequences of violence. There are many tools available to modern man.

You use the tools and live with the consequences, lets never forget consequences.

The consequences of an AVO are a lot more sufferable than 1-4 for manslaughter.

The consequences of running away are more sufferable than entering into a gang vendetta.

The consequences of suffering a home invasion are a lot worse than killing an intruder…

Pride is important, but it can be a distraction.

Violence is only a tool, but if you use it, use it well, the stakes are high.

Come on now guys, No one is going to argue that combat is sometimes necessary and is the major part of our training. But for the comfortable lives that most of us live (we all have access to the internet, i’ll call that comfortable) actual combat is probably not all that frequent. Spiritual cultivation is just as important to our training as is combat.
Given that most of us probably don’t fight all that often.

And conversely for those of us who have to fight everyday the spiritual cultivation is also necessary to help us make sense of this brutal world. So any way you look at it, its an important half of MA.

You are all quoting extreme examples, but these things are black and white, and only happen to the few. How MA affects your attitude in Day to Day situations is more important because it is what happens every day in all of our lives.

Self portrait:confused:

[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1030759][SIZE=“5”]fighting is not the answer[/SIZE]

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[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1030812]THIS is why i think the whole world should shhhhhmoke some ganja…you can’t fight if you’re shhhtoned off your arse :D[/QUOTE]

This is not true:rolleyes:

Get a gun, learn to use it and you will have increased your chances of self defense by 1000% over any and all martial arts clubs out there.

The best advise anyone on here can hope to follow.

The lord made men, but Sam Colt made them equal american proverb

[QUOTE=Minghequan;1030728]
This is what the true martial arts are against. Such a bad attitude and loss of personal self-belief flies in the face of what the martial arts are truly all about. The arts should instill confidence and provide the person with the tools to avoid violence at all costs. They should plant the seed of personal self-growth within the individual that they can then take with them through life. This then is what our White Crane Martial Arts hopes to do for those who choose to study it. Making good people, better is our aim.[/QUOTE]

fighting is a means and not an end.

if you focus on defense, then you have peace in mind.

[QUOTE=RenDaHai;1030748]
I agree with Minghequan. In lots of MA i see this attitude of ‘an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth’ or even worse. This attitude was primitive 2000 years ago. Its not the way of someone who practices gong fu.

The nature of Gong Fu is what really seperates traditional MA from their modern counterparts. Although modern MA may be more effective combat training in many cases they are lacking in the spiritual domain.[/QUOTE]

this is racism against chinese culture because european christians think eye for an eye is bad. chinese culture thinks its good. if u cant respect that dont do chinese kung fu pls. i believe in an eye for 20 eyes. on thursdays 30 eyes

chinese jesus hong xiuquan said “if ur scared pusy then fuk off, dont step on my bridge” i agree with chinese jesus i think he is rite. grow sum bawls and b a mang. lift weits and b trong. army trong

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1030791]Life is a learning experience till we are long dead and buried.

Who i am today is totally NOT who i was 10 years ago. And, when my sifu promoted me to SIFU, i was really bad. I was ready to fight anyone at any time. “WTF YOU LOOKING AT?” was one of my favorite things to say back then. but when sifu promoted me, he also told me “what you do from this point forward reflects on me”…and at that point is when i started to leave that street life behind.

I used to be really bad. But, ****, i swear to god it feels GOOD not to be that way anymore.[/QUOTE]

your sifu pussywhipped u. u r not a man anemoar. u r more like a woman-man.

“a governor in fujian invited a bunch of martial artsist to tell him stories about martial arts. they were talking and talking and gossiping . then a monk came who said he was from shaolin. they challenged him to stick fight one on one and he knocked out a whole bunch. he said “join flowery martial arts, your whole life is ruined.” and left.”

  • a regional document in fujian, ming dynasty

“those teaching martial arts but cant fight…an act of evil and perversion…i write to warn and inform the youth”
-shoubilu, wu jin. early qing dynasty

“flowery instructors…roaming scammers…cost the lives of our soldiers…body parts litter the battlefield. a trageic sight”
-jixiaoxingshu, qi ji guang. middle ming dynasty

“because of fraudulent instructors, one thousand runs before one hundred”

  • training record, qi ji guang

“disgusting act… twirling of swords, of flowery spears, rolling forks… should be banned”
-formation treatis

“li kui watches the street performer and gives a cold chuckle. “your kung fu is flowery. i fuk your old mother””
-water margin novel

Can fight when time for fight= “good gongfu”. AV.:smiley:

[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1030882]The best advise anyone on here can hope to follow.

The lord made men, but Sam Colt made them equal american proverb[/QUOTE]

Says the pu$$y beginner:D

Get of this board, your pink panties are showing you little b!tch:p

[QUOTE=Minghequan;1030728]This is what the true martial arts are against. Such a bad attitude and loss of personal self-belief flies in the face of what the martial arts are truly all about. The arts should instill confidence and provide the person with the tools to avoid violence at all costs. They should plant the seed of personal self-growth within the individual that they can then take with them through life. This then is what our White Crane Martial Arts hopes to do for those who choose to study it. Making good people, better is our aim.[/QUOTE]

If you’re suppose to avoid confrontation at all cost, why spend so much time learning martial arts. Wouldn’t your time be better spent on avoidance techniques?

What do you spend most of your time teaching?

Ass-kicking
or
Avoidance
De-Escalation
Conflict Resolution

Which have you invested the most time learning?
Which one are you qualified to teach?
What tools do you think MA gives someone to not fight?

The latter falls under the realm of psychology, if you want to learn psychology why would you go to a kung fu school?

Power Points

Avoidance

De-escalation

Conflict Resolution

learning avoidance etc… is laudable, and if you can/do incorperate that kind of training good on you, but let’s not kid ourselves, MA is about kicking-ass.

Eh this thread makes me want to barf.:smiley:

Ancient man created martial arts for no other reason than to defend themselves and hurt or kill another human being THATS IT.

All the silly spiritual nonsense is just for people who have gotten lost in their own @ss with david carradine fortune cookie spirituality.

just be a decent human being and eschew the rest of the martial code malarkey that very few of the old timers ever used to begin with :smiley:

There’s no such thing as spiritual nonsense if that’s where a dude finds his peace. :slight_smile:
Finding that place is a weird path and it takes many forms.

Train Kung Fu because you want to, because you love it and it’s what you believe makes you a better person all round.

You will invariably get out of it what you put in. :slight_smile:

Says the pu$$y beginner

Get of this board, your pink panties are showing you little b!tch

how bout going and f u cking your self you old dried up c u n t! do you f a rt dust really, i’m suprised you have the urge to get out of bed in the mornings. Why don’t you just end it all seriously. :rolleyes:

is that a picture of you? or your boyfriend?

[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1030882]The best advise anyone on here can hope to follow.

The lord made men, but Sam Colt made them equal american proverb[/QUOTE]

american kung fu needs to incorporate firearms
ming dynasty was starting to replace all of the traditional spears with french and dutch rifles before it fell. the line between firearms and kung fu was blurry

[QUOTE=goju;1030923]Eh this thread makes me want to barf.:smiley:

Ancient man created martial arts for no other reason than to defend themselves and hurt or kill another human being THATS IT.

All the silly spiritual nonsense is just for people who have gotten lost in their own @ss with david carradine fortune cookie spirituality.

just be a decent human being and eschew the rest of the martial code malarkey that very few of the old timers ever used to begin with :D[/QUOTE]

The following **** is some sh!t I wouldda wrote had I had the time or the inclination to write some **** like like this sh!t right here:

The Image of the Cosmos in the I Ching: the Yi-globe

The Yi-globe and the human microcosm

The I Ching and the Nei Jing
The Yi-globe as the symbol of the microcosm
According to the teachings of the I Ching, a wise man is supposed to contemplate on the hexagrams, understanding thereby their meanings. As the book says: ‘In this way man comes to resemble heaven and earth, he is not in conflict with them. His wisdom embraces all things, and his Tao brings order into the whole world; therefore he does not err.’ [Baynes: 295.] This saying includes the traditional idea that man was originally created in the semblance of heaven, that is he represents a certain kind of microcosm, having thereby an inherent ability to apply the heavenly laws to himself, thus harmonizing with heaven. The I Ching renders guidance for the solution of this exact task, disclosing the rules of harmonious human life. Therefore the book, since ancient times, has exerted its influence not only on the spiritual development of men but on the preservation and curing of bodily health as well. Also the theoretical fundaments of traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) reflect the spirituality of the I Ching, or are directly originated from it. The frequently quoted saying of Sun Simiao, a Taoist priest and medical expert (581-682), is generally accepted in this sphere, according to which: ‘You cannot master medicine until you have studied the I Ching.’

In the previous passages the Yi-globe was discussed as the symbol of the macrocosm but it seems to be probable that also the human world, the microcosm, should be manifested in it. This consideration encourages the discussion on the Yi-globe and the human microcosm as on comparable ideas. Hereafter, such elements will be revealed in the Yi-globe, which are considered as the fundamental features of the human organism.

THE I CHING AND THE NEI JING

To demonstrate the relationship between the I Ching and Chinese medicine, the oldest ancient work of the vast TCM literature, the Nei Jing serves the purpose best. The theoretical and practical material of this book forms the basis of each following Chinese medical work, and therefore still exercises its influence in our time. The survival of the Nei Jing through millennari can be attributed to its versatility; being not only a medical book but rather a philosophical treatise on health and illness. Ilza Veith writes that in the ancient China: ‘Medicine was but a part of philosophy and religion, both of which propounded oneness with nature, i.e. the universe.’ [Veith: 10.] Thus it is impossible to understand the Nei Jing without being familiar with the Chinese thinking of that time, with special regard to the three fundamental concepts: the Tao, the yin/yang duality and the theory of the five elements. From among these concepts the first two are cardinal ideas in the I Ching as well, and so, as common spiritual base, create a thorough relationship between the two works.

The Tao, “the Way” stands for the general ordering principle of the universe. One has to follow it to attain internal peace and complete enlightenment. The following of the Tao means performing the balance between the two principles of existence: the yin and the yang.

Instead of further speculations, some citations below will illustrate how the Tao and the yin/yang duality appears in these two cardinal works of Chinese philosophy and Chinese medicine.

1.) Structure of the universe: the role of the Tao and the duality of the world.
In the I Ching:
‘The Book of Changes contains the measure of heaven and earth; therefore it enables us to comprehend the Tao of heaven and earth and its order.’
The same in the Nei Jing:
‘The principle of Yin and Yang is the basic principle of the entire universe. It is the principle of everything in creation.’
2.) The aim of the wise man: to understand the changes in the world, and to follow the Tao accordingly.
I Ching:
‘As the firm and the yielding lines displace one another, change and transformation arise.’ Further on, according to the previously cited saying: ‘Since in this way man comes to resemble heaven and earth, he is not in conflict with them. His wisdom embraces all things, and his Tao brings order into the whole world; therefore he does not err.’
Nei Jing:
‘If Yin and Yang change the people will change likewise and their destiny can then be prefigured. … In ancient times those people who understood Tao patterned themselves upon the Yin and the Yang and they lived in harmony with the arts of divination.’
‘Obedience to the laws of Yin and Yang means life; disobedience means death.’
3.) Parting of spirit and form.
I Ching:
‘In the heavens phenomena take form; on earth shapes take form.’
Nei Jing:
‘In Heaven there are ethereal spirits; upon earth there is form and shape.’
4.) Yin and yang: dark and light.
I Ching:
‘That which lets now the dark, now the light appear is Tao.’ (Here the original Chinese text applies the words yin and yang, and those are replaced by dark and light in the English translation.)
Nei Jing:
‘Heaven was created by an accumulation of Yang, the element of light; Earth was created by an accumulation of Yin, the element of darkness.’
As the citations show, the ideas of the I Ching appear in the Nei Jing almost word for word; however, in the latter, these statements serve first of all to support the guidelines in respect to the restoration of the balance of the bodily state. For that matter, nowadays, the principles of the I Ching also find an ever increasing application in the western world and not only in spiritual field but also in everyday practice. Medical practitioners and doctors, moreover medical centers and hospitals, work and cure patients using these traditional principles (the methods of divination are applied for example in diagnostics as well).

The third spiritual base of the Nei Jing, the five element theory, is not included in the I Ching. This does not mean that this theory was unknown at the time the book was written, but rather denotes that the I Ching deals with such higher levels of existence where the differentiation of the world to the five elements is not yet taken into consideration.

[QUOTE=goju;1030923]Eh this thread makes me want to barf.:smiley:

Ancient man created martial arts for no other reason than to defend themselves and hurt or kill another human being THATS IT.

All the silly spiritual nonsense is just for people who have gotten lost in their own @ss with david carradine fortune cookie spirituality.

just be a decent human being and eschew the rest of the martial code malarkey that very few of the old timers ever used to begin with :D[/QUOTE]

Spirituality,
Physicality,
Your Mental Play Ground,
The Sensorium

Are all dynamic aspects of our lives that need to be kept in balance.
If you get caught up on any one aspect the entire microcosm will suffer.

[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Bawang : your sifu *****whipped u. u r not a man anemoar. u r more like a woman-man. [QUOTE]

Did your sifu give you the name of “A$$hammer”??? u sifu turned u into a$$ pirate…

No u
u have smalle bawls