[QUOTE=woliveri;1042560] glorified wrestling…[/QUOTE]
You only need 1 contact point to push. You will need 2 or 3 contact points to throw. It’s easier to push somone back, but much harder to throw someone down without the knowledge of knowing how to use your leg.
To have the skill to perform the following leg function can hardly be called “glorified wrestling”.
Forward kick (TI),
Scooping kick (CUO),
Sticking kick (ZHAN),
Spring (TAN),
Hooking kick (TIAO),
Foot entangling (CHAN),
Inner hook (HE),
Foot picking (JIAN),
Inner kick(CHONG),
Inner heel sweep (GUA),
Inner sickle (DAO)
Break (BIE),
Back kick (LIAO),
Front cut(QIE),
Sickle hooking (XIAO)
Back sickle (GOU),
Back inner hook (LI),
Leg bending lift (KUAI)
[QUOTE=woliveri;1042698]Well, what’d you expect when someone says SKL is fake? You yourself was knocked on your @ss by him as you have told me.
At that point the conversation ends.[/QUOTE]
Well make up your mind… either he lands people on their ass for real (which would mean he would be doing what you saw in those clips and he would do quite well in a grappling situation) or he didn’t do it for real (in which case he wouldn’t be training like you saw and wouldn’t do so well in a grappling situation)… that is unless you are saying he had a full-contact striking match with Tai Chi Bob.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1042702]Well make up your mind… either he lands people on their ass for real (which would mean he would be doing what you saw in those clips and he would do quite well in a grappling situation) or he didn’t do it for real (in which case he wouldn’t be training like you saw and wouldn’t do so well in a grappling situation)… that is unless you are saying he had a full-contact striking match with Tai Chi Bob.[/QUOTE]
Go ask Bob.
Greetings..
WOW!! Really?, a ****in’ contest again.. no wonder i don’t come to this place so often.. YES, Bill, SKL worked some amazing stuff on me, “no touch” stuff.. YES, Knifefighter, i believe the physics and well trained experience of a conditioned fighter are superior fighting skills.. and, now that i’m dragged into this ****in’ contest.. the winner is the person with enough sense to train in BOTH perspectives, AND to keep their mouths shut!! Which is just what i’ll do.
Be well..
[QUOTE=TaiChiBob;1042715]Greetings..
WOW!! Really?, a ****in’ contest again.. no wonder i don’t come to this place so often.. YES, Bill, SKL worked some amazing stuff on me, “no touch” stuff.. YES, Knifefighter, i believe the physics and well trained experience of a conditioned fighter are superior fighting skills.. and, now that i’m dragged into this ****in’ contest.. the winner is the person with enough sense to train in BOTH perspectives, AND to keep their mouths shut!! Which is just what i’ll do.
Be well..[/QUOTE]
“No touch”? Speaking of fake. I’d say that pretty much says it all.
Greetings..
“No touch”? Speaking of fake. I’d say that pretty much says it all.
Nice!! You weren’t there, you speak from no knowledge, that’s arrogant and stupid.. I would have said the same thing prior to the incident, and it had nothing to do with MA.. SKL was doing some healing work, and i wanted to see/experience what was going on.. i guess i went where i wasn’t invited.. really, you should learn a bit more about the world you live in..
Be well..
[QUOTE=TaiChiBob;1042722]Greetings..
Nice!! You weren’t there, you speak from no knowledge, that’s arrogant and stupid.. I would have said the same thing prior to the incident, and it had nothing to do with MA.. SKL was doing some healing work, and i wanted to see/experience what was going on.. i guess i went where i wasn’t invited.. really, you should learn a bit more about the world you live in..
Be well..[/QUOTE]
LOL… last I checked, we were talking about him knocking you on your ass. You responded as if he had done that with no-touch.
If you are talking about healing with no touch, I have no problem with that. In the west we call it the placebo affect and it works as well, if not sometimes better, than actual intervention.
If he knocked you down with no touch, then you are the one who needs to learn more about the world.
[QUOTE=TaiChiBob;1042722]Greetings..
Nice!! You weren’t there, you speak from no knowledge, that’s arrogant and stupid.. I would have said the same thing prior to the incident, and it had nothing to do with MA.. SKL was doing some healing work, and i wanted to see/experience what was going on.. i guess i went where i wasn’t invited.. really, you should learn a bit more about the world you live in..
Be well..[/QUOTE]
Thank you Bob. That’s what I call real $hit. That’s training a “gong”. That’s what Chinese training, real training is all about. Like I said, Shuai Jiao has it’s place. I just wouldn’t make it the center of my training.
Knifefighter. You are a frog in a well my friend… a frog in a well…
[QUOTE=woliveri;1042727]Thank you Bob. That’s what I call real $hit. That’s training a “gong”. That’s what Chinese training, real training is all about. Like I said, Shuai Jiao has it’s place. I just wouldn’t make it the center of my training.
Knifefighter. You are a frog in a well my friend… a frog in a well…[/QUOTE]
Umm… I think it’s been pretty much proven time and time again that you guys are the frogs in the well.
Placebo Effect
Here’s what happens with the placebo affect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc&mode=related&search=
Each one of those students was (and several still are) convinced they were being knocked over by the “master’s” no touch energy.
Like I said, the placebo affect is strong. There’s only one problem with it. It doesn’t work if you don’t believe it.
Here’s what happens when you try the same thing with someone who doesn’t believe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jf3Gc2a0_8
You can’t knock someone over with “no touch” if they don’t believe you can do it.
Frogs in a well.
Greetings..
LOL… last I checked, we were talking about him knocking you on your ass. You responded as if he had done that with no-touch.
You hear what you want to hear for the conflict you seek..
Thank you Bob. That’s what I call real $hit.
Don’t thank me, Bill.. i call it like i see it.. this thread was enjoying some decent discussion, now this.. this forum thrives on conflict.. now, i’ll set the record straight..
SKL was doing some healing work, nice stuff.. the energies were tangible.. i started to walk across the room, respectfully, i thought.. he simply pointed in my direction with his free hand, and.. and, i have no valid explanation, but.. my knees just gave out, i slumped to a kneel.. maybe the training of that day caught-up with me, who knows.. SKL’s wife came over and said, 'I think Master Lew is a little busy, right now.. why don’t you come over here".. and she led me onto the porch.. conclude what you will from it, but.. the coincidences leave me believing there was more going on than i was able to understand..
So, that story hasn’t changed from the day it happened.. it happened. If you heard ‘knocked on your a$$’, you wanted to hear that.. nothing i have ever said about that incident implied ‘knoched me on my a$$’.. the strongest verbage, out of a softer context, was “it seemed like he dropped me”.. cripe, wouldn’t it be cool to just have a normal conversation sometimes..
Be well..
Plaebo
Here’s what happens with the placebo affect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc&mode=related&search=
Each one of those students was (and several of them still are convinced of this) convinced they were being knocked over by the “master’s” no touch energy.
Like I said, the placebo affect is strong. There’s only one problem with it. It doesn’t work if you don’t believe it.
Here’s what happens when you try the same thing with someone who doesn’t believe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jf3Gc2a0_8
You can’t knock someone over with “no touch” if they don’t believe you can do it.
Bob is no different than any of those students… whether you want to call it getting knocked your ass or dropped you. It’s still the same basic principle… placebo.
Frogs in a well.
Greetings..
Here’s what happens with the placebo affect:
Hi: I’ve got your back on this.. i can’t explain what happend with SKL, it was unexpected, and.. maybe unrelated.. but, i will not wear blinders.. I train hard, we put on gloves and go at it, we hit the ground hard and work it.. my history goes back to the late 60’s and the old PKA (Professional Karate Assn.).. there is no substitute for hard training, but.. it’s possible that sometimes we might train hard in other ‘Arts’ and surprise ourselves.. try not to be so narrow-minded, it might leave you unprepared..
Be well..
[QUOTE=TaiChiBob;1042748]Greetings..
Hi: I’ve got your back on this.. i can’t explain what happend with SKL, it was unexpected, and.. maybe unrelated.. but, i will not wear blinders.. I train hard, we put on gloves and go at it, we hit the ground hard and work it.. my history goes back to the late 60’s and the old PKA (Professional Karate Assn.).. there is no substitute for hard training, but.. it’s possible that sometimes we might train hard in other ‘Arts’ and surprise ourselves.. try not to be so narrow-minded, it might leave you unprepared..
Be well..[/QUOTE]
Speaking of not being narrow minded, here’s a site you might want to check out.
http://www.randi.org/site/
Explains a lot about “magical thinking”.
There is also a $1,000,000 to anyone who can demonstrated paranormal abilities:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
BTW, my brother is a professional magician and my gf’s mom was a psychic, and a hypnotist. I’ve seen most of the tricks and the rip-offs.
Greetings..
BTW, my brother is a professional magician and my gf’s mom was a psychic, and a hypnotist. I’ve seen most of the tricks and the rip-offs.
Cool, you win.. you are the man.. nothing is possible without your approval or without Mr. Randi’s giving his money away.. BTW, i frequently refer people to Mr. Randi’s offer.. i am solely at fault for revisiting this forum, expecting well-reasoned discussions..
Be well..
[QUOTE=TaiChiBob;1042740]You hear what you want to hear for the conflict you seek..[/QUOTE]
Or maybe you are purposely being disgenuine in an attempt to steer people’s conclusions.
Let’s consider…
Originally Posted by woliveri:
"Well, what’d you expect when someone says SKL is fake? You yourself was knocked on your @ss by him as you have told me.
At that point the conversation ends."
followed by…
Originally Posted by Knifefighter
“Well make up your mind… either he lands people on their ass for real (which would mean he would be doing what you saw in those clips and he would do quite well in a grappling situation) or he didn’t do it for real (in which case he wouldn’t be training like you saw and wouldn’t do so well in a grappling situation)… that is unless you are saying he had a full-contact striking match with Tai Chi Bob.”
followed by…
“Go ask Bob.”
next responded by you with your cryptic:
"WOW!! Really?, a ****in’ contest again.. no wonder i don’t come to this place so often.. YES, Bill, SKL worked some amazing stuff on me, “no touch” stuff.. YES, Knifefighter, i believe the physics and well trained experience of a conditioned fighter are superior fighting skills.. and, now that i’m dragged into this ****in’ contest.. the winner is the person with enough sense to train in BOTH perspectives, AND to keep their mouths shut!! Which is just what i’ll do.’
So maybe instead of me hearing what I want to hear based on the battles I seek, maybe it is you being less than genuine and attempting to lead people’s conclusions.
[QUOTE=TaiChiBob;1042740]Greetings..
You hear what you want to hear for the conflict you seek..
Don’t thank me, Bill.. i call it like i see it.. this thread was enjoying some decent discussion, now this.. this forum thrives on conflict.. now, i’ll set the record straight..
SKL was doing some healing work, nice stuff.. the energies were tangible.. i started to walk across the room, respectfully, i thought.. he simply pointed in my direction with his free hand, and.. and, i have no valid explanation, but.. my knees just gave out, i slumped to a kneel.. maybe the training of that day caught-up with me, who knows.. SKL’s wife came over and said, 'I think Master Lew is a little busy, right now.. why don’t you come over here".. and she led me onto the porch.. conclude what you will from it, but.. the coincidences leave me believing there was more going on than i was able to understand..
So, that story hasn’t changed from the day it happened.. it happened. If you heard ‘knocked on your a$$’, you wanted to hear that.. nothing i have ever said about that incident implied ‘knoched me on my a$$’.. the strongest verbage, out of a softer context, was “it seemed like he dropped me”.. cripe, wouldn’t it be cool to just have a normal conversation sometimes..
Be well..[/QUOTE]
No need to be testy Bob… Knocked on your @ss, knees buckled, whatever. I’m old and I don’t have a photographic memory. So what? I thought the story was great. I’ve never met SKL but have had similar experiences from other Masters. The point here is SKL and others have trained a “gong” to their highest level. I apologize for my poor choice of words.
[QUOTE=woliveri;1042764]No need to be testy Bob… Knocked on your @ss, knees buckled, whatever. I’m old and I don’t have a photographic memory. So what? I thought the story was great. I’ve never met SKL but have had similar experiences from other Masters. The point here is SKL and others have trained a “gong” to their highest level. I apologize for my poor choice of words.[/QUOTE]
Frogs in a well.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1042765]Frogs in a well.[/QUOTE]
Hey, go get your own line.. That one is mine.
[QUOTE=woliveri;1042766]Hey, go get your own line.. That one is mine.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but it’s more applicable to you.
More bullsh!t, er, I mean gong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrzBL2dHMI