If we compare these 2 clips, we can see some
Why can’t we mix both into one?
Of course, we can BUT most will say that it is not "internal’.
yes.
It is always a question of formats or rule sets.
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/shaolinchuandao
check out the rules before entering.
that is.
Of course, we can BUT most will say that it is not "internal’
- similiar such as borrow force, yield, sticky, follow, lead your opponent into the emptiness, …
in the end it’s all one thing that’s been around for a long long time and it’s not some mythical proclaimation it mechanics and training.
The second clip was from shifu John Irving and sifu gino’s tourney @ case western univesity in Ohio. I was one of the judges therer then offered a seminar there with shuai jiao shifu from California the next day on sunday. great tourney, awesome tournout will be goign again next year. I cant say enough about it
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1150418]The second clip was from shifu John Irving and sifu gino’s tourney @ case western univesity in Ohio. I was one of the judges therer then offered a seminar there with shuai jiao shifu from California the next day on sunday. great tourney, awesome tournout will be goign again next year. I cant say enough about it[/QUOTE]
Thx for the kind word Sifu.
My personal Opinion on Push Hands / Shaui Chiao:
They are both the same thing. Both borrow energy from your opponent. Both grapple, lock and throw. Push Hands, SC, Judo, BJJ etc etc all work on sensitivity thru constant grappling and touching each other.
For self defense they are close to the same. For competition they only differ thru different rule sets.
ginosifu
In the push hands clip the guy getting thrown around is only resisting up to a certain point. Then he just stops resisting allowing the other guy to throw him around. Kinda pointless.
ron blair, really? you can see and feel that from your computer screen?
I highly doubt it. and if you see how far and quick he is thrown this is certainly not the case.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1150448]ron blair, really? you can see and feel that from your computer screen?
I highly doubt it. and if you see how far and quick he is thrown this is certainly not the case.[/QUOTE]
Earthdragon, are you saying you can “feel” what’s going on better through your computer screen? Lol. Based on your argument your opinion is worth as much as mine unless you were actually there.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150395]If we compare these 2 clips, we can see some
Why can’t we mix both into one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZouSsrTGNE[/QUOTE]
Mix both for what ?, do you want to create another sport, just change rules and you will create another sport.
The guy in black in first video is just a guy on higher level than other guys, so he uses less movement to get job done, that’s all nothing to do with combine this or that, less movement equals higher level, not more moving.
I was saying that you cant make the assumtion that he was giving up. it didnt look like it to me. But I see your poitn the same can be said about him not givng up… touche’
I think the guy realized that what he was doing was not working and tried something else that really did not work. I think he ran out of moves or options.
[QUOTE=Robinhood;1150468]Mix both for what ?[/QUOTE]
Integrate sweep, hook, cut, sickle, twist, bite, sharpen. spring, block, break, lift, … into Taiji push hand.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150395]If we compare these 2 clips, we can see some
Why can’t we mix both into one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZouSsrTGNE[/QUOTE]
You know that GM Chang learned Yang Style Tai Chi from General Ma (I think it was him). I would assume that GM Chang learned Push Hands as well.
I have been working with GM Chang’s student, Chi Hsiu Weng AKA Dr. Weng from California for over 15 years and he has emphasized that Tai Chi and Shuai Chiao are linked like brother and sister.
Sure you can mix them both into one. However, my opinion is that they are already together.
ginosifu
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1150538]You know that GM Chang learned Yang Style Tai Chi from General Ma (I think it was him). I would assume that GM Chang learned Push Hands as well.
I have been working with GM Chang’s student, Chi Hsiu Weng AKA Dr. Weng from California for over 15 years and he has emphasized that Tai Chi and Shuai Chiao are linked like brother and sister.
Sure you can mix them both into one. However, my opinion is that they are already together.
ginosifu[/QUOTE]
GM Chang exchanged his SC with general Li Jing-Lin’s Taiji (not general Ma).
In Chang Taiji, both are integrated.
Tai chi is just internal Shuia Jiao
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150395]If we compare these 2 clips, we can see some
Why can’t we mix both into one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZouSsrTGNE[/QUOTE]
Because in the wrestling clip the opponents are picking each other up and throwing each other. In the Taiji clip the taiji master is listening for when the opponent is off balance and then adding his force to the “throw”. Different skills.
EO
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1151054]Because in the wrestling clip the opponents are picking each other up and throwing each other. In the Taiji clip the taiji master is listening for when the opponent is off balance and then adding his force to the “throw”. Different skills.
EO[/QUOTE]
Not at all - that’s the goal of both. Yielding is the highest level throwing skill that Master Chen Bing demonstrates nicely.
Search Mifune Judo to see demonstrating yielding soft listening to the extreme.
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1151054]Because in the wrestling clip the opponents are picking each other up and throwing each other. In the Taiji clip the taiji master is listening for when the opponent is off balance and then adding his force to the “throw”. Different skills.
EO[/QUOTE]
Skill such as, “listening for when the opponent is off balance and then adding his force to the throw” is also used in wrestling as well. The difference is
how to contact
how to neutralize
when impeded
how to turn things around etc
you may keep going without actually ending with a throw.
because they are limited and also they kept changing rules.
in other words
might as well just use shuai jiao or judo rules then.