crimson phoenix
As for the needle “trick” as you put it, please feel free to try it for your self, just focus your chi and slide a sharp steele needle through your quatracept muscle an out the other side. nothing to it right? let me know how it goes.if in deed its a trick then their is nothing to it.
Never been to china
Well that’s true, I’ve never been to china.
Let me ask you this, My old teacher learned her qi gong from her grandmother too. It’s also a family system. It’s several hundred years old. She also studied Taiji under Ma Liu Liang and Hao Sao Liu. Where does that place her on the charts? She studied Bagua from Chi Xi Shin. Is she over your teacher?
I’m not trying to be a jerk her–well maybe I am–my point is that I’m sure your teacher is great, but throwing out completely random statements like “third in the world” will never help you in an argument. Maybe you should limit yourself to really good.
The world is a big enough place that there’s always someone better out there. And sometimes better just means talented in a different way.
Merciless is Mercy.
She must..
truly be the 3rd best qi gong master in the world. It would take a great amount of skill to keep you connected to the ground Earth Dragon as it seems your ego is always trying to carry you away.
Freedom is what you do with what is done to you. - Sartres
again
when I say 3rd highest ranked in the world that only means in her art or stlye of qi-gong. maybe I didnt make myself clear or maybe did not explian it correctly. I am not trying to win an arguement just help kevin understand that it is possible to apply chi from a distance.but fact is fact.
As for nexus arent you the guy who told a young student who was looking for a tai chi teacher to walk in to a school and attack the teacher!!! yet you ridicule me about my ego? lets not throw stones here O.K now back to the topic.
I like it here because the topics are interesting and the people posting seem to know how to listen, ask questions and share experiences / ideas. Please lets not reduce this to the level as some of the other places here.
leaf out
enjoy life
bamboo leaf
OK, you might be good at inserting steel in your thighs but not words in your mind: check out my post, nowhere it is written the word “trick”, it came from your own mouth (Freud would have loved that!)…nowehere I said it was easy, I just underlined the mechanisms rendering it possible…as a matter of fact, the hindu guys entering a trance that are able to do that (I saw it in Malaysia) CANNOT do it when they snap out of the trance. And for sure, I couldn’t on the spot take a steel needle and insert it in my thigh, if that makes you happy 
My only point in the post was that I don’t consider that being qigong, but even in the end I said that it both required the specific usage of mind so I wasn’t even sure this wasn’t a qigong of some sort.
So before over reacting and getting at me with this “I can do that, can you” attitude, read posts carefully…
No disrespect, just some clarifications.
Phoenix
Thanks for the clarification, you really did not make that clear.
Merciless is Mercy.
bamboo_leaf: there’s open-mindedness and then there’s letting people go unchallenged when they make statements which are patently absurd, seriously detrimental to the arts as a whole, and falling upon a multitude of ears that don’t know any better.
I have to agree with Kevin’s assertion. I do not have confidence that there is any veracity to distance qi projection for the purpose of defending oneself from aggressive assault. I have seen some very interesting demonstrations of qi projection however.
Over 20 years ago, I was an apprentice and friend of an American Indian Medicine Man. We used to practice energy projection with a wadded piece of paper. We would stand relatively close, approximately 8-12 feet apart and throw a wadded up piece of paper at one and other. At that distance, it is nearly impossible to miss. We were able to deflect the paper wad 80%-90% of the time. The thrower would attempt to disrupt the qi field of the defender. The defender would attempt to shield himself, cloud the mind, or disrupt perceptions of the thrower. On some occasions we would focus our energy on the wad. I found that disrupting the other’s mind was more consistently effective than putting up a qi shield. We never brought the skill into an aggressive situation, but it provides some interesting possibilities.
On another occasion, we were both sitting on his couch. We were not talking, just sitting. This is not unusual behavior for spiritually oriented American Indians. Sitting quietly i
I have to agree with Kevin’s assertion. I do not have confidence that there is any veracity to distance qi projection for the purpose of defending oneself from aggressive assault. I have seen some very interesting demonstrations of qi projection however.
Over 20 years ago, I was an apprentice and friend of an American Indian Medicine Man. We used to practice energy projection with a wadded piece of paper. We would stand relatively close, approximately 8-12 feet apart and throw a wadded up piece of paper at one and other. At that distance, it is nearly impossible to miss. We were able to deflect the paper wad 80%-90% of the time. The thrower would attempt to disrupt the qi field of the defender. The defender would attempt to shield himself, cloud the mind, or disrupt perceptions of the thrower. On some occasions we would focus our energy on the wad. I found that disrupting the other’s mind was more consistently effective than putting up a qi shield. We never brought the skill into an aggressive situation, but it provides some interesting possibilities.
On another occasion, we were both sitting on his couch. We were not talking, just sitting. This is not unusual behavior for spiritually oriented American Indians. Sitting quietly is a form of meditation. While we were sitting, I felt dizzy for a brief moment. I did not make any movements nor did I mention my experience. My friend said, “Hmmm?â€. I said, “What?†My friend said, “I just made the room spinâ€.
Again, this example does not involve any hostile or aggressive assault, but we were not in communication nor were we touching one and other.
Having said this, I ask about this topic, “So what?†If it is possible to project qi for the benefit of self-defens
Excellent discussion, However,
I have to agree with Kevin’s assertion. I do not have confidence that there is any veracity to distance qi projection for the purpose of defending oneself from aggressive assault. I have seen some very interesting demonstrations of qi projection however.
Over 20 years ago, I was an apprentice and friend of an American Indian Medicine Man. We used to practice energy projection with a wadded piece of paper. We would stand relatively close, approximately 8-12 feet apart and throw a wadded up piece of paper at one and other. At that distance, it is nearly impossible to miss. We were able to deflect the paper wad 80%-90% of the time. The thrower would attempt to disrupt the qi field of the defender. The defender would attempt to shield himself, cloud the mind, or disrupt perceptions of the thrower. On some occasions we would focus our energy on the wad. I found that disrupting the other’s mind was more consistently effective than putting up a qi shield. We never brought the skill into an aggressive situation, but it provides some interesting possibilities.
On another occasion, we were both sitting on his couch. We were not talking, just sitting. This is not unusual behavior for spiritually oriented American Indians. Sitting quietly is a form of meditation. While we were sitting, I felt dizzy for a brief moment. I did not make any movements nor did I mention my experience. My friend said, “Hmmm?â€. I said, “What?†My friend said, “I just made the room spinâ€.
Again, this example does not involve any hostile or aggressive assault, but we were not in communication nor were we touching one and other.
Having said this, I ask about this topic, “So what?†If it is possible to project
I have to agree with Kevin’s assertion. I do not have confidence that there is any veracity to distance qi projection for the purpose of defending oneself from aggressive assault. I have seen some very interesting demonstrations of qi projection however.
Over 20 years ago, I was an apprentice and friend of an American Indian Medicine Man. We used to practice energy projection with a wadded piece of paper. We would stand relatively close, approximately 8-12 feet apart and throw a wadded up piece of paper at one and other. At that distance, it is nearly impossible to miss. We were able to deflect the paper wad 80%-90% of the time. The thrower would attempt to disrupt the qi field of the defender. The defender would attempt to shield himself, cloud the mind, or disrupt perceptions of the thrower. On some occasions we would focus our energy on the wad. I found that disrupting the other’s mind was more consistently effective than putting up a qi shield. We never brought the skill into an aggressive situation, but it provides some interesting possibilities.
On another occasion, we were both sitting on his couch. We were not talking, just sitting. This is not unusual behavior for spiritually oriented American Indians. Sitting quietly is a form of meditation. While we were sitting, I felt dizzy for a brief moment. I did not make any movements nor did I mention my experience. My friend said, “Hmmm?â€. I said, “What?†My friend said, “I just made the room spinâ€.
Again, this example does not involve any hostile or aggressive assault, but we were not in communication nor were we touching one and other.
Having said this, I ask about this topic, “So what?†If it is possible to project qi for the benefit of self-defense, is it worth the effort to develop? I am reminded of a Japanese story of two young samurai:
Two young Samurai had reached the age when they would travel throughout the country to test their martial skills. They had grown up together and were close friends. They agreed to meet in two years to compare their experiences. When the appointed time had arrived the two met. Each was on opposite sides of a canal. The canal was quite wide, 50-100 feet. Waving they each greeted the other. One said to the other, “Watch thisâ€, and he leapt across the canal. Once on the same side as his friend, he explained that he had met up with a mountain ascetic and that he had spent the two years learning to accomplish the amazing feat of leaping. As they were conversing, they approached a ferryman. The one friend took a small coin out of his purse and paid the ferryman to take them back across the canal. The point of the story is that, the one young samurai spent two years learning a skill that could be bought for a mere pittance.
Anyone thinking that learning the projection of qi will significantly benefit their lives is deluded. While there is still some disagreement about the benefits of qi among scientists, there is nothing but anecdotal evidence to support it in any way. We know of its existence by its effects much as we know of electricity’s existence because of it
Earth Dragon:
Shu Ming’s fairly opaque book was translated into English by Thomas Cleary. I don’t know that he is all that famous or highly-regarded in China, however. The “highest-ranking” qigong "master in the world today is His Ultimateness Li, of Falun Gong fame.
I will try one last time to post this message!! AARRGHHH!!
I have to agree with Kevin’s assertion. I do not have confidence that there is any veracity to distance qi projection for the purpose of defending oneself from aggressive assault. I have seen some very interesting demonstrations of qi projection however.
Over 20 years ago, I was an apprentice and friend of an American Indian Medicine Man. We used to practice energy projection with a wadded piece of paper. We would stand relatively close, approximately 8-12 feet apart and throw a wadded up piece of paper at one and other. At that distance, it is nearly impossible to miss. We were able to deflect the paper wad 80%-90% of the time. The thrower would attempt to disrupt the qi field of the defender. The defender would attempt to shield himself, cloud the mind, or disrupt perceptions of the thrower. On some occasions we would focus our energy on the wad. I found that disrupting the other’s mind was more consistently effective than putting up a qi shield. We never brought the skill into an aggressive situation, but it provides some interesting possibilities.
On another occasion, we were both sitting on his couch. We were not talking, just sitting. This is not unusual beh
Daniel, I knew you’d like it hehehehehehe
Scott..
I enjoyed what you had to say, wish I could have read all of what you had to say!
Freedom is what you do with what is done to you. - Sartres
interesting conversation and i have no part in it hmmmm glad i wondered over to the internal board.
first i would like to say i dont know much about the chinese language but empty force is not lin kong jing, empty force is what the opponent feels when you are good at tai ji chuan.There is an emptyness that fills him and the area between you and him when he starts to get aggersive towards you thus making him feel the need to attack so you may reverse the energy back to him.
about lin kong jing though it is possible on an unwilling opponent the problem is it is so difficult to perform its worthless contemplating it, it takes at least 10+ years including of celibacy to perform it in a decent context.I have been practising a moderate amount of time, meditating and not eating meat for about 10 years and martial arts practise for almost that long, intensive internal for the past year, i have been able to apply ling kong jing pitifully but enough to make myself know it exists, i did it on my girlfriend who did not know what i was about to do , i told her to lcose her eeyes and relax, i was about 1 metre away from here, and i basically felt her eenrgy field, felt the one around my hands, made my hand the same polarity as her field, and pushed and pulled, and she moved, her eyes were shut and she didnt know what i was gonna do.
party trick
yes
method of self defense
maybe in 10 more years
but it does exist its the same principal we use when we first begin to feel energy and we make a ball of chi between our hands and compress it.
anyhow take care…
I wongsifu shall strike fear into the hearts of trolls and mma guys who **** me off on these forums oh and in real life.
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Anyone thinking that learning the projection of qi will significantly benefit their lives is deluded. While there is still some disagreement about the benefits of qi among scientists, there is nothing but anecdotal evidence to support it in any way. We know of its existence by its effects much as we know of electricity
I hate cable modems-Hopefully this will post-This is my 6th attempt.
Anyone thinking that learning the projection of qi will significantly benefit their lives is deluded. While there is still some disagreement about the benefits of qi among scientists, there is nothing but anecdotal evidence to support it in any way. We know of its existence by its effects much as we know of electricity’s existence because of its effects. However, I have not seen even anecdotal evidence that convinces me that the time spent to develop qi gives any greater benefit than eating healthy foods and exercising provides. I can be convinced that the meditational aspects can benefit an individuals stress levels, but so can other forms of mental exercise. Qi practioners do not live significantly longer than anyone else. While it is a romantic notion to be able to propel someone across the room from a distance after 20-30 years of practice, I can go down to my local gun store and fork out $450 for a .44 magnum that will do the same thing and I only have to wait 30 days to reap its benefits. I know what some will say, a .44 Magnum only kills while developing qi can be used to propel without injury. Good you wait 20-30 years, spend innumerable hours better spent on family and self-cultivation, to be able to defend yourself and your family I will wait 30 days and we will see who survives and who has a family and friends.
I know I seem rather harsh and this discussion is as interesting to me as everyone else, but flights of fantasy and romantic notions about super human abilities distracts people from what is truly important in life. When we die and go to wherever we go and are asked, “What did you do with your lifeâ€? Are we going to say, “I wasted my life learning to throw people across the room from a distance†or are we going to say, “I learned to love, express my feelings appropriately, to be kind and generous, raised a good healthy family and taught my children and grandchildren how to do these things as wellâ€.
Some will insist that this type of cultivation is still worth the effort and I do not fault you. Everyone has their own path. I am merely exercising my right to express my thoughts. I still respect the opinions and rights of those of you who will disagree with me and I wish you good luck.
Sincerely,
Scott
Hi,
is this person saying something similar to what you are saying?
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Respects,
Esteban