What is it?
Simple explanations only please.
I think I know what it is but I would like to hear what other people think it is also. I will post my definition after a few replies.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1176530]What is it?
Simple explanations only please.
I think I know what it is but I would like to hear what other people think it is also. I will post my definition after a few replies.[/QUOTE]
The opposite of IQ
[QUOTE=GlennR;1176531]The opposite of IQ[/QUOTE]
LOL Clever!
[QUOTE=guy b.;1176530]What is it?
Simple explanations only please.
I think I know what it is but I would like to hear what other people think it is also. I will post my definition after a few replies.[/QUOTE]
Here is one for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcp6J1T60qc&feature=related
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176534]LOL Clever![/QUOTE]
Im on top of my game this morning! 
[QUOTE=GlennR;1176536]Im on top of my game this morning! ;)[/QUOTE]
but in all seriousness in my opinion I feel that chi is the lay term for the interplay between bioelectromagnetics and biochemistry, that is inherent to all living organisms, that which modern medical science is aware of but can not explain. There have been some studies done that hypothesize that it may have to do with the ones mitochondria and their ability to produce ATP and then there are the studies have shown that it may have something to do with hemoglobin in the blood and how it interacts with other complex biochemical pathways. That being said there has not been a proper peer reviewed study published in any reputable medical journal looking into any of this. According to my Sifu "where there is blood flow there is chi flow. Where the mind (yi) is focuses so shall ones chi.’ Just my two cents.
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176537]but in all seriousness in my opinion I feel that chi is the lay term for the interplay between bioelectromagnetics and biochemistry, that is inherent to all living organisms, that which modern medical science is aware of but can not explain. There have been some studies done that hypothesize that it may have to do with the ones mitochondria and their ability to produce ATP and then there are the studies have shown that it may have something to do with hemoglobin in the blood and how it interacts with other complex biochemical pathways. That being said there has not been a proper peer reviewed study published in any reputable medical journal looking into any of this. According to my Sifu "where there is blood flow there is chi flow. Where the mind (yi) is focuses so shall ones chi.’ Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
Agree it is a physical process and that mind is important
[QUOTE=Robinhood;1176535]Here is one for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcp6J1T60qc&feature=related[/QUOTE]
I don’t have an hour and 18 minutes available. What is his theory?
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176537]but in all seriousness in my opinion I feel that chi is the lay term for the interplay between bioelectromagnetics and biochemistry, that is inherent to all living organisms, that which modern medical science is aware of but can not explain. There have been some studies done that hypothesize that it may have to do with the ones mitochondria and their ability to produce ATP and then there are the studies have shown that it may have something to do with hemoglobin in the blood and how it interacts with other complex biochemical pathways. That being said there has not been a proper peer reviewed study published in any reputable medical journal looking into any of this. According to my Sifu "where there is blood flow there is chi flow. Where the mind (yi) is focuses so shall ones chi.’ Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough.
Not my thing to be honest, but if someone can show me otherwise im all ears
[QUOTE=guy b.;1176530]What is it?
Simple explanations only please.
I think I know what it is but I would like to hear what other people think it is also. I will post my definition after a few replies.[/QUOTE]
A form of microscopic matter, smaller than molecules but denser in itensity.
Kind regards,
Xian
[QUOTE=Xian;1176542]A form of microscopic matter, smaller than molecules but denser in itensity.
Kind regards,
Xian[/QUOTE]
You are going for a supernatural explanation, or claiming science that we do not yet understand? Why?
[QUOTE=GlennR;1176541]Fair enough.
Not my thing to be honest, but if someone can show me otherwise im all ears[/QUOTE]
Chi/Qi/Prana/Life Force…etc is not a fairy tale however through the media and other charlatans the labels have now become somewhat I’m obscured in their meaning. One has to remember that these terms/labels were invented during a time where modern day science didn’t exist. it’s not like they could have exactly called it bioelectronics or biochemistry. And even with all the science that we have we still really can’t explain “it” yet we know “it” exists. what a lot of what people think is chi, is merely placebo.
Cheers,
-Nirav
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176544]Chi/Qi/Prana/Life Force…etc is not a fairy tale however through the media through and other charlatans the labels have now become somewhat I’m obscured in their meaning. One has to remember that these terms/labels were invented during a time where modern day science didn’t exist. it’s not like they could have exactly called it bioelectronics or biochemistry. And even with all the science that we have we still really can’t explain “it” yet we know “it” exists. what a lot of what people think is chi, is merely placebo.
Cheers,
-Nirav[/QUOTE]
I agree that it exists and that it has a normal physical basis that people didn’t understand at the time when the idea was formulated. In this day an age though if we are talking about it we should be talking about the physical reality of whatever it is, shouldn’t we?
[QUOTE=guy b.;1176545]I agree that it exists and that it has a normal physical basis that people didn’t understand at the time when the idea was formulated. In this day an age though if we are talking about it we should be talking about the physical reality of whatever it is, shouldn’t we?[/QUOTE]
I absolutely agree with you we to should be talking about this as it pertains to physical reality, however that is where the problem begins. no one can agree on what the actual physical reality is because no one can prove it and therein lies the issue. The best that most internal martial artist can do is use examples or give an abstract explanation on how it works and what it is. This problem is not just specific to the explanation of chi, but many topics in science. For that reason I feel that many people will not even touch this topic.
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176544]Chi/Qi/Prana/Life Force…etc is not a fairy tale however through the media and other charlatans the labels have now become somewhat I’m obscured in their meaning. One has to remember that these terms/labels were invented during a time where modern day science didn’t exist. it’s not like they could have exactly called it bioelectronics or biochemistry. And even with all the science that we have we still really can’t explain “it” yet we know “it” exists. what a lot of what people think is chi, is merely placebo.
Cheers,
-Nirav[/QUOTE]
Yes.
The presentation of the above video by the doctor is not about Qi but new age believe. One needs to define qi as the energy which makes tcm accupuncture and herbal work. Instead of getting into all kind of magic force, guidance..Fung shui …fortunte telling…ect .
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176544]Chi/Qi/Prana/Life Force…etc is not a fairy tale however through the media and other charlatans the labels have now become somewhat I’m obscured in their meaning. One has to remember that these terms/labels were invented during a time where modern day science didn’t exist. it’s not like they could have exactly called it bioelectronics or biochemistry. And even with all the science that we have we still really can’t explain “it” yet we know “it” exists. what a lot of what people think is chi, is merely placebo.
Cheers,
-Nirav[/QUOTE]
Saying it exists doesnt make it so.
Id suggest the reason that it was named/invented before western science is exactly that… we can now scientifically explain how the body works
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1176549]Yes.
The presentation of the above video by the doctor is not about but new age believe.[/QUOTE]
yes this “new age thinking” that you mentioned many times before is one of the things I am talking about when I say placebo. And this is a problem mainly occurring to westerners unfortunately looking for answers from charlatans (Sifus /Guru’s/Monks/ Alleged Spirutal Leaders who looking for easy prey.
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176551]yes this “new age thinking” that you mentioned many times before is one of the things I am talking about when I say placebo. And this is a problem mainly occurring to westerners unfortunately looking for answers from charlatans (Sifus /Guru’s/Monks/ Alleged Spirutal Leaders who looking for easy prey.[/QUOTE]
For scientic experiments,
http://www.naturalhealingcenter.com/creative/jixingli.htm
[QUOTE=GlennR;1176550]Saying it exists doesnt make it so.
Id suggest the reason that it was named/invented before western science is exactly that… we can now scientifically explain how the body works[/QUOTE]
you are correct, however how many things biologically speaking science has no ability to explain. Viruses for example are by definition not alive (unlike bacteria) however they can act as though they are and science is not able to explain why this phenomenon occurs so researchers just accept it and move forward to more important things like how to stop them. That however doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t still try to figure out but in the meantime we should focus on more pertinent issues. Another example, The human genome has been completely maped but will take at least 100 years for us to fully explore it even with 1000 supercomputers running 24/7.
And I really hope that nobody uses religion/god an example because that is a conversation that will go nowhere.
[QUOTE=GlennR;1176550]Saying it exists doesnt make it so.
Id suggest the reason that it was named/invented before western science is exactly that… we can now scientifically explain how the body works[/QUOTE]
If you follow certain qi cultivation techniques you feel something. What are you feeling?