[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176554]you are correct sangeet exists does it mean it really exist however how many things biologically speaking at sign says no ability to explain. Viruses for example are by definition not alive (unlike bacteria) however they can act as though they are and signs is not able to explain why does phenomenon of course so we just accept it and move forward. The human genome has been completely maped but will take at least 100 years for us to fully explore it even with 1000 supercomputers running 24/7.
And I really hope that nobody uses religion/god an example because that is a conversation that will go nowhere.[/QUOTE]
Personally, i dont see the qi being anymore or any less viable than the existence of a God.
And im an atheist.
I will say this, everything that applies to fighting can be explained using bio mechanics, physics, mathematics 100 percent without any doubt. Chi has nothing “directly” to do with fighting.Professional athletes do not do chi gong to accomplish what they do. However as we know a lot of the chi gong exercises do have some commonalities with other exercises that are done by athletes that involve cardio cardio vascular and pulmonary development (physiology doesn’t change) . If an athlete or chi gong practitioner repeats there exercises and trains for a prolonged period of time they develop more robust collateral blood supply do whatever organs being perfused. Having said that according to chinese medicine the more blood flow to an organ, the more chi. the effect in the end of the same…more oxygen carrying capacity which means more endurance, which means better better immune system and faster recovery time/tissue healing. Very simple, very logical, very scientific. Same goes for yoga.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1176555]If you follow certain qi cultivation techniques you feel something. What are you feeling?[/QUOTE]
to be put in an overly simplified way, Blood Flow. With that, all the other sensations that people describe follow… the feeling of tingling, feeling of electricity, the feeling of heat, and euphoria.
I will say this, everything that applies to fighting can be explained using bio mechanics, physics, mathematics 100 percent without any doubt.
Yes, id add will power and intelligence as well.
Chi has nothing “directly” to do with fighting.Professional athletes do not do chi gong to accomplish what they do.
Correct
However as we know a lot of the chi gong exercises do have some commonalities with other exercises that I’m done by athletes that involve cardio cardio vascular and pulmonary development. If an athlete or chi gong practitioner repeats there exercises and trains for a prolonged period of time they develop more robust collateral blood supply do whatever organs being perfused. Having said that according to chinese medicine the more blood flow to an organ, the more chi. the effect in the end of the same…more oxygen carrying capacity which means more endurance, which means better better immune system and faster recovery time/tissue healing. Very simple, very logical, very scientific.
Well if the definition of chi is increased blood flow and better level of fitness via exercise then i agree.
Same goes for yoga
I did yoga heavily for 4 years or so and i can attest to its benefits.
[QUOTE=GlennR;1176562]Yes, id add will power and intelligence as well.
Correct
Well if the definition of chi is increased blood flow and better level of fitness via exercise then i agree.
I did yoga heavily for 4 years or so and i can attest to its benefits.[/QUOTE]
I agree about the power and intelligence, especially the intelligence. However I would like to clarify that I do not feel that the movement of blood is the definition of chi but rather it’s one of the ways thought to be responsible for its migration through out the body.
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176560]to be put in an overly simplified way, Blood Flow. With that, all the other sensations that people describe follow… the feeling of tingling, feeling of electricity, the feeling of heat, and euphoria.[/QUOTE]
Blood flow may somewhat related to what you are feeling, but I do not believe it is what you are feeling.
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176559]I will say this, everything that applies to fighting can be explained using bio mechanics, physics, mathematics 100 percent without any doubt. Chi has nothing “directly” to do with fighting.Professional athletes do not do chi gong to accomplish what they do. However as we know a lot of the chi gong exercises do have some commonalities with other exercises that are done by athletes that involve cardio cardio vascular and pulmonary development (physiology doesn’t change) . If an athlete or chi gong practitioner repeats there exercises and trains for a prolonged period of time they develop more robust collateral blood supply do whatever organs being perfused. Having said that according to chinese medicine the more blood flow to an organ, the more chi. the effect in the end of the same…more oxygen carrying capacity which means more endurance, which means better better immune system and faster recovery time/tissue healing. Very simple, very logical, very scientific. Same goes for yoga.[/QUOTE]
Cultivation of qi can be relevant to any athletic endeavor and is quite applicable to fighting. I am struggling to see what most common qi cultivation exercises have to do with pulmonary or vascular development.
I don’t think Chi/Qi is a single thing, but as a way to explain a variety of observable phenomenon.
And a lot of such observable phenomenon cannot be fully explained by contempary scientific models, yet. But NOTHING escapes the laws of physics/nature/biology.
Like how we laugh at medical science of the 18th century, future generations will also laugh at how little we know today.
p.s. in Chinese, we even describe a well cooked stir fry as having “Wok Qi”
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1176573]I don’t think Chi/Qi is a single thing, but as a way to explain a variety of observable phenomenon.
And a lot of such observable phenomenon cannot be fully explained by contempary scientific models, yet. But NOTHING escapes the laws of physics/nature/biology.
Like how we laugh at medical science of the 18th century, future generations will also laugh at how little we know today.
p.s. in Chinese, we even describe a well cooked stir fry as having “Wok Qi” ;)[/QUOTE]
Nice post, you are correct chi is not just one thing but rather an amalgamation of many things. However what those things are is an extremely debatable topic.
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176574]Chi is not directly related to fighting however it can be in an indirect manner.[/QUOTE]
Qi cultivation is related to the improved functioning of the body if you believe it is a real thing. A better functioning body is better at fighting in general, so while cultivating qi does not make you a great fighter it is certainly a useful thing for a fighter to develop.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1176579]Qi cultivation is related to the improved functioning of the body if you believe it is a real thing. A better functioning body is better at fighting in general, so while cultivating qi does not make you a great fighter it is certainly a useful thing for a fighter to develop.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1176581]Precisely, hence being indirectly related.[/QUOTE]
Just throwing a hyperthetical here:
A lot of very experienced acupuncturists would tell you that they locate acupincture points not by sight or touch, but by “sensing” where there is a dip in Chi flow;
And we have seen numerous (sometimes comical) demonstrations where the teacher moves a student (ALWAYS between an issuer and a complying receiver) with Chi without touching. I have NEVER seen such Chi empty force working on a non-complying subject.
But what if, although a “Chi blast” in my opinion can never move a person in a real fight, it is the receiver who is skilled in listening to the issuer’s Chi/intention/telegraphing/bioelectric field etc.? Can a well developed ability to sense give a person to respond to an attack (or the intention of an attack) before it happens?
Have we all had experiences in everyday life that we manage to sense something is about to happen just before it happens?
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1176584]Just throwing a hyperthetical here:
A lot of very experienced acupuncturists would tell you that they locate acupincture points not by sight or touch, but by “sensing” where there is a dip in Chi flow;
And we have seen numerous (sometimes comical) demonstrations where the teacher moves a student (ALWAYS between an issuer and a complying receiver) with Chi without touching. I have NEVER seen such Chi empty force working on a non-complying subject.
But what if, although a “Chi blast” in my opinion can never move a person in a real fight, it is the receiver who is skilled in listening to the issuer’s Chi/intention/telegraphing/bioelectric field etc.? Can a well developed ability to sense give a person to respond to an attack (or the intention of an attack) before it happens?
Have we all had experiences in everyday life that we manage to sense something is about to happen just before it happens?
Just a thought.[/QUOTE]
Yes, or something similar, I use that all the time when working out. I think it is more of a sense of aim and ability of the other person to deliver.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1176579]Qi cultivation is related to the improved functioning of the body if you believe it is a real thing. A better functioning body is better at fighting in general, so while cultivating qi does not make you a great fighter it is certainly a useful thing for a fighter to develop.[/QUOTE]
Qi cultivation allso directly related to fighting when the qi medirians handling becomes a part of power generation handling and momentum handling.
Visualization lead the qi medirians flow aids the Physical body motion and power generation.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1176584]
… it is the receiver who is skilled in listening to the issuer’s Chi/intention/telegraphing/bioelectric field etc.? Can a well developed ability to sense give a person to respond to an attack (or the intention of an attack) before it happens?
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Of course, but I do not like to mix chi with intention in the context of fighting. Instead I would say it was more like feeling ones Yi = thought/intention without the chi component (however yes they (Yi and Chi) are interconnected “where Yi goes, chi follows”) . And I do agree that it is possible to reach that state you speak of. To be honest that is actually part of our systems poem and the basis of our chi sao/gor sao.
