After reading many threads on these boards I have realized that not a lot of people know, understand or have ever felt chi. I am just curious to see how many of you have reached a level of
1.cultivating, being aware of it, (not just knowing it exsists)
2. using it for practice ( iron palm, healing propensities)
3.shooting it into other people so that they can physically feel it.
I dont want to start a “what is chi” thread for those go way off the subject but I am very curoius to know what levels others have obtained in their trainnng.
My qigong teacher once told me of her shrfu that used to project chi with such force that he could push someone into their seat when standing without touching them physically.
I also have a book written by the famous (shu ming) of bejing that used to have a group of people face the same direction and put their hands on each others shoulders and then would shoot chi into the first person and make it travel through the group and knock the last person back which forced them to let go of the persons shoulders in front of them. I can assure you it was not trick and no acters used for he used to do this in bejing park many times for demonstrations and also was part of a special on A&E about chinese qigong masters…
Hi ED ,Daniel ,This is a good question for the board,one that gets walked around alot but not completely answered. I’ll try although I’m not entirely sure of my own answers.:o #1a definite yes #2 no not yet #3 yes,so far only on the offencive. #4 can’t even see it from where i’m at,so far. I’m a good transmitter but a terrible receiver. ED , not to highjack your thread ,but I was curious how much of MR.Madar’s success he would attribute to his current sifu? peace" Bob of the Great White North"
1.) Yes
2.) Yes
3.) Do a certain degree when applying massages and checking of latent injuries.
But that is not shooting, but simply increased sensitivity due to training.
Most non-internal MA I spar with can feel a differene between their punches and mine. Is it Chi, you decide.
Knocking people over without touching them = NO.
Controlling People without touching them = NO.
Hmmmm…to my understanding, every strike and every technique involve the use of qi.
Maybe I’m a bit of a skeptic, but I would have to say that if I knew the next day I was going to have some master try to project qi at me from a distance without touching me, or if I was going to be at the end of the line when he sent his qi through 10 people—well, I wouldn’t lose much sleep.
If I knew that the next day I would have to take a full power, qi-dominant soft jing strike from my teacher, then I’d be browsing through a wheelchair catalog, or checking through the details on my life insurance policy :).
1.Yes
2.Yes but not in healing or iron palm more like listening to force and unbalancing
3.Not shooting but more like extending awareness so they can feel something
i find that number 2 and 3 are realtive to the people I’m working with and my energy level for that time as to weather they can feel mine or i can unbalance useing this alone (with out force), in most cases i can feel theirs
Awsome posts guys, I am glad that you all have responded with such enthusiasim. I have been in contact with so many non beleivers I find it hard to find people that say oh I know what you talking about…I usually find people that say your crazy or it is impossible to shoot chi, and these ignorant comments are from fellow martial artists which makes me shake my head even harded. I was hosting a seminar on medical qigong to some medical students and when I was explaining the medical benefeits of qigong enduced cardioplasmatic energy waves they where looking at me like I was talking about UFO’s. So my teacher and I did a demonstration where she projects chi and I shove a wire through my calf muscle without bleeding or pain. I convinced most of them but a few thought it was a trick so I invited one young man to try it. After he inserted the wire he could not beleive what was happeing and could not explian why he never felt pain or blood loss, which in their eyes is medically impossible.
So when I do demonsrtrate my skill it falls on deaf ears and closed eyes as I described in my “people just dont understand thread”
Just wondering how long in your training did you realize that chi was actually prominate and you were able to feel it for the first time…?
your post confused me… I dont understand why you said
day I was going to have some master try to project qi at me from a distance without touching me, or if I was going to be at the end of the line when he sent his qi through 10 people—well, I wouldn’t lose much sleep.
If I knew that the next day I would have to take a full power, qi-dominant soft jing strike from my teacher, then I’d be browsing through a wheelchair catalog, or checking through the details on my life insurance policy .
It seems as that you are afraid of you teacher more than a world famous taichi qigong master with whom you have not met and probably have never heard of. Who is your teacher? And why would you post that I am totally confused… thanks
Hahaha!!! Master Nexus explains Maya!
A couple of years ago I was watching a student of (er,hrumph,ah,ah) Dr. Klein do form, (he was sloppy and wooden at the same time) and he was able to generate a little bit of chi in his hands that I could see. It was too bad he had no idea what to do with it. He asked to see some Tiger Step Gong so I demonstrated a little and he started screaming “he’s throwing chi balls at me! Hey everybody, he’s throwing chi balls at me!” I just hit the ground laughing because I realized he had never seen anything like this before. ( and I was missing him a good ten feet to his left) Then I sent him a big soft wave of Jung Jing and made him laugh.
I’m sorry, I never said you were confused. All of us have different understandings of these arts, and my understanding seems to be different than yours. I’m just talking from my limited exposure and experience in these arts.
I study under Yang Jwing Ming.
I’ve been taught that having very stringent critical standards is crucially important to developing a high skill and knowledge level in the arts. It’s been emphasized to me repeatedly to test out everything personally on my own time so that I really comprehend what’s being taught.
I’ve been around people with some incredible skills, and I’ve never seen them do demonstrations of knocking somebody around with their qi without touching them. From what I’ve seen on this forum and others, when people are questioned in detail about projecting qi from a distance, they usually end up admitting that it doesn’t often work against a resisting opponent, and that it’s of virtually no martial value.
From what I’ve read of most CMA history, the famous masters of old were known for their combat skill relative to PHYSICAL contact. Projecting qi from a distance, if possible, would seem to me to be a much higher level skill. So these people out there today who claim this skill have reached a much higher level than Yang Lu Chan, Wong Fei Hung, Sun Lu Tang, etc.? I suppose it’s possible, but I’m dubious to say the least.
I didnt mean to say that you said I was confused… I actually was, but you have cleared that up thanks.
As far taking what peope say on these boards to heart, most masters that I know dont really care or know about the inernet so it is hard to judge simply from what is typed hereon the board in the modern world.
As for projecting chi to unwilling people that really has nothing to do with it at all!you donot have to believe or understand inorder to be healed. Actuall if they are willing it would fall under hypnotisim. If you are speaking of moving objects from projection that would fall under teleconesis. What I am talking about is emmitting cultivated chi into another person to rebalance their chi flow, which has been done for over 4,000 either with needles or with chi perfromed by a qigong master. While I no way near consier calling myself a qigong master. I have been studying with world famous Yen Chu Feng in the art of jin gon tzu li gong and have cured many patients of mine with various qigong techniques, and I can project or shoot my chi right through you with or without you beliveing in it at all, doesnt matter. I can make you shake or move simply by the effect of emmitting my chi. I have seen people roll around on the floor from my shrfu treaments.
Ask your teacher about shu ming. He is one of the most famous taichi qigong masters in china. Again most real masters that have obtained high levels in the arts are not known to the general public and surely not to the western world. So you cannot base assumtion on what is available via the media or the internet.
