I was at a friend of a friends house.
It was a semi party, only about 8 or 9 people.
You know, a get together.
Anyway
The big guy comes up. Says some sh!t. So you know M.A…
I say what of it. bada boom, bada bing, it’s over,and I did some kinda move I really don’t remember, but he’s crawling and coughing on the ground.
Because my reflexes took charge and acted without me thinking about it, and also being relaxed.
Does my chi help me focus on fights?
and does chi really have anything to do with this?
I started breathing deep (taking deep breathes) right when all this began.
Or is it all just training??
Chi kung is all about relaxing, breathing correctly and allowing the chi to flow in the most natural and unblocked way. It teaches you self control among other things.
There also kinda like your chi memorized a path by doing forms and patterns so it (or you - becouse chi is your life force) move automaticly depending on the situation. I think this is also called muscle memory from a different point of view.
Another way to see the whole thing is like this: what some may call chi flow in this situation others may call adrenaline, simple.
Oh my God, how could any of you believe in chi.What a freaken myth.
Let me wake you up Logic.Yes, it’s all just training.
Don’t waste your time with this nonsense.
Practice makes perfect!!
Study Karate,–Direct and to the point!
It’s OK if people don’t “believe in” bio-electric, bio-chemical, respiratory, circulatory, and neuromuscular function! Not to mention all the other myths which abound on the…nevermind…
I never stated I don’t believe in biology, dont put words in my mouth because of your own eastern viewpoint, I just dont believe in bull****, call it what you will but I am not going to play the Yoda game with you.
But if thats your bag fine, one mans garabage is anothers treasure.
I found that there seem to be 2 Books written on “Chi/Qi/Ki”.
1.) Used by long time practicioners in the Art, who either say it is nothing special.
2.) The Book used by some frauds that sell Chi/Qi/Ki as the 1 Magik-solution to end all problems.
Said that “Empty Force/Kong Jing” is not Chi perse, but is supposed to utilise it. AFAIK.
Same with Iron shirt, Golden Vest, etc.
So it depends which Book he read and is likely to ssiten to.
I as a practicioner of the internal Arts know that you can’t explain Chi to somebody else, the Person has to feel it himself and that only happens with training and an open mind.
But most of the people claiming it doesn’t exist either:
1.) Are not willing to even listen to a proper explanation.
2.) Or are to scared to try some exercises in case they are wrong.
3.)Even if they tried it most of them would give up after about 5 minutes claiming a “no result”.
"The big guy comes up. Says some sh!t. So you know M.A…
I say what of it. bada boom, bada bing, it’s over,and I did some kinda move I really don’t remember, but he’s crawling and coughing on the ground. "
Shooter, I don’t believe in chi, I believe in biomechanics and biology in relation to both combat and health, so if that is what you are in reference to then we can talk about that, but not the mystical crap which most think chi is and how it can be applied to save ones ass, on the offhand I did not mean my post to you to sound so confrotational as from what I have heard is that you train and work hard, I am a little worked up on a Kung Fu/QiQong Magazine article I read which I will be posting about soon, as you will see it is related and it will address some of my points.
As for the rest of you guys:rolleyes:
Keep fooling yourselfs, keep playing games and daydreaming that you are David Carradine, about how your chi/internal energy will be your magic pill and protect you in a serious street confrontation when a drugged out thug decides to take you out for you wallet or rape your wife, dream about your empty force bull****, iron gonad training and your one touch dim mak, I pity you and the suckers you teach greatly if you really think those things are going to come through for you.
Who needs to spar, learn enviromental protection skills and train on a realistic level when you have empty force, haha, jesus christ.
The question in the post was about “chi” and its relation to self defense. If we are talking internal health…aka excerisce like yoga or mediation fine… but for close combat skills it is IMHO complete and utter bull****.
I guess I just don’t have the open mind needed for such training, but thats ok-dokey for me.
Proper explanations do not mean anything, proper explanations are often proper only to those who are stating them.
Scared??? I don’t need to waste my time and energy on above stated bs, I get my dose of fantasy from watching Star Trek reruns but even if I did waste my training time, you just stated that whatever I did it would not be enough anyway.
BJ - qigong definitely provides some very positive martial benefits. Although this doesn’t necessarily invalidate anything you said. And it certainly doesn’t VALIDATE any of the wierd ideas about chi you see here, or in the pages of your local magazine.
Black Jack, once again, fair enough. Sorry I made fun, but there’s an intangible quality to nature’s energy which exists in lots of different forms outside of our skin. The relationship we as humans have with those forms of energy is the jumping off point for lots of people, and for others, it’s the point of entry for their personal exploration and discovery. The trap is set for many who try to understand it by sharing and discussing their experiences of what they’ve felt and seen. I don’t buy into all of it either, but I’ve seen and felt some things that go way beyond my ability, or desire to explain them. Those experiences have nothing to do with anyone else, so who cares?
As far as chi having a part in someone’s ability to defend themselves, I’d say for the most part, it’s just good use of bio-mechanics (just good physics). But there is energy transfer on lots of different levels beyond just the physical. Do I understand it all? Yes, and no. I have a SENSE of it all, but would never attempt to project my own understanding onto someone else through power-of-suggestion or mystical abstraction.
When I do a Chi Kung lesson, I don’t suggest anything to anyone. I just let them ‘feel’ and ‘hear’ for themselves. The experience for many is profound and personal. I discourage them relating their experiences to myself, or the others in the class. I encourage them to mull it over in quiet introspection. It’s a personal thing that nobody else needs to know about. Everyone’s different, and their Chi Kung is an internal relationship with energy in general. If there’s a consensus on certain commonalities, it remains an unspoken acknowledgement…Mu, Shunya, Wu-Chi… That’s as far as I go. To go any further is to try naming the Tao, which can’t be done. Trying to define it is to fall into the trap I mentioned earlier.
Im sure whether or not your initial act was Qi directed , certainly Qi related in some way or other, but yes Qi definitely does have a large effect upon the actual fighting applications. I will only say this once and I know Prana has tried to stand up for the internal practices in an earlier message, but, all those who decry Qi are ignorant to the reality of energetics. Energetics I f you like, and I am personally going to use in this context, is of course derived directly from nature. Those who play down the use of Qi fit, most likely into one or more of the following categories:
never experienced it; read about it but have never been shown it therefore never experienced it; belief system is too narrow and steadfast to open up to experiencing it; are ignorant and want to remain closed to excperienceing it; are just trying to be smart and funny. I don’t usually like being so agressive in my texts on here, Im just reciprocating to the equally offensive side to the Qi argument. Qi exists fact!!! I’ve been knocked out by my Master before, when he brushed his palm on my chest, and repelled several feet away when I touched him whilst he was in a static position. I only say these things because that is my experience, and I realise that many people on this board have had similar experinces too, and some of you haven’t, that too is a fact and is the missing key between those who believe in Qi and those who don’t. End of mission statement.
By the way I have used Qi in self defence in a pub about a year ago when someone went to glass a friend of mine in the face. I used sticking energy to the back of palm with the flat of my palm and led his hand without blocking it out of line of my friends face and into the wall, where unfortunately he lacterated his hand.
