I know in my school, we don’t concentrate on bringing our Ch’i levels up that much.
Who here trains at a Wing Chun school and uses Qi Gong methods, meditations, tai chi,etc in class?
Does anyone here use the first section of the Sil Lum Tao for Qi Gong?
Just curious,
Couch.
Class is for practising your martial art(s).
If you want to learn other specific skills, which IMO have nothing to do with WC, go to other specific classes or get books, video, etc.
Who here trains at a Wing Chun school and uses Qi Gong methods
Everybody. Breathing is a qigong method. Who practices WC without breathing? 
That is a trick question…holding your breath is also a qigong method. 
Does anyone here use the first section of the Sil Lum Tao for Qi Gong?
What is special about the first section?
I guess what I’m asking is…
I’m not talking about learning something else. It’s just that, it hasn’t been made clear to me how to build up my ch’i using Wing Chun.
What methods are everyone else using?
What part of the Wing Chun curriculum (specifically) build up your Ch’i?
As far as the first section of the SLT, I’ve heard people talking about doing the first section very slowly, controlling your breathing, and visualizing your energy moving around your body.
Thanks,
Couch
You can not learn Qi Gong through WC. The WC body structure is not correct for the proper flow of Chi. Those who say they practice Chi during SLT are not doing real Qi Gong.
However, if you practice Qi Gong correctly, under the instruction of someone who knows how to position the body and focus the breathing and the mind, then you can import the knowledge into your WC application.
But this is very difficult to do unless you are shown how to do it correctly.
My advice would be to seek out a proper Qi gong instructor who you can learn real Qi gong from and then, when you know how Qi gong really works, you can identify a WC teacher who knows how to incorporate Qi gong into WC properly.
Cheers
Block
I believe that SLT will develop your chi if you practice very slowly and very relaxed because after seven years i can feel it. In WC it’s development is not emphasized, more like something that comes along with training. In Tai chi, it has a heavy emphasis. So although i don’t do anything in WC specifically to develop chi, i think SLT is chi gong.
Is SLT means SECOND LEVEL TRAINING?
The Dynamic training which beyond the set of physical action?
Chi, angle… still a FLT or First Level training.
Breathing is a qigong method.
Cool. I’ll do my Qigong while I’m sleeping or watching the boob tube. Screw all those silly exercises.
Breathing correctly and efficiently is important to Kung Fu, or for that matter any form of physical exertion, but that does not necessarily have anything to do with qigong. Nor is qigong necessarily the best or only way to develop efficient and coordinated breathing for physical activity.
James Cama Sifu teaches internal that was part of the lineage from the begining. http://www.futsaoyongchunkuen.com/NEIANDHEIKUNG.htm
Hi Andrew
Cool. I’ll do my Qigong while I’m sleeping or watching the boob tube. Screw all those silly exercises.
ROTFLOL, that’s so funny
Qi Gung isn’t just breathing, it’s about complete control of the whole body which is very relevant to any form of exercise and complements WC very well.
From Qi gung you not only learn to relax but to create highly explosive and powerful energy.
It’s not everyone’s cup of tea but there is tremendous benefit to incorporating it into your WC.
Cheers
Block
Couch asks:
Does anyone here use the first section of the Sil Lum Tao for Qi Gong?
When done right- the slt develops the chi.
Dont need taiji or separate chi gung for the motions to be properly energized.
WC postures or taiji postures need to be done right and adjusted properly for the chi to efficiently store and flow. There will always be some chi- otherwise you would be dead.
There are different paths to chigung…good wing chun posture,
ygkym, and natural breath flow..there is plenty of chi gung-IMO and in my experience.
Supplementary work may help you feek better but good slt is chi gung enough for wc.
Dont know your school- dont know what you do.
Answering your question-----
Pointless to argue definitions.
Breathing correctly and efficiently is important to Kung Fu, or for that matter any form of physical exertion, but that does not necessarily have anything to do with qigong.
That’s cute, but a little naïve. Is there a Chinese dictionary in the house?
You can not learn Qi Gong through WC. The WC body structure is not correct for the proper flow of Chi.
And the correct and proper flow is what–exactly? How about some technical detail for the little people? Throw us a bone.
Those who say they practice Chi during SLT are not doing real Qi Gong.
What is real Qi Gong?
on chi gong
((Your opinion differs from mine and some old line wing chun masters with extensive exposure and background in wing chun
but diferences of opinion is ok. )))
Censored asks:
What is real Qi Gong?
(( There are many different kinds of chi gong practices- not a simple cafeteria. Verbally- chi gong/hay gong involves developing one’s chi capacity and using at will for specific purposes when needed. In some wing chun families without makinga big deal out of it- correct ygkym and slt done intentionally and regularly has built in chi gung to it. In families that have more of mechanics models or Gray’s antomy approach or where the stance or structure development is quite different, the chi gong development is not automatic or optimal IMO.
For martial use of chi gong it needs to be coordinated with the
motions and structure one will be using. That is why taiji standing and wc standing are different paths in their structural details.
But they both have some commonality when contrated with
sanchin breathing, hung gar breathing, some crane style breathing, halting breathing, tensing and dynamic tension.
My own understanding is informed opinion ( of course opinion neverthless) and not casual and reinforced with experience and exposure to first class yogis(prana=chi), taiji teachers, and wing chun masters. Considerable triangulation and correlations on the process.
Actually, Hendrik has attempted to discuss this in several of his past posts…
from his perspective- but it probably got drowned out in other noise.
There is also special chi gong routines for strengthening different internal organs- more for health..the martial aspects are there but indirect.
In any case good guidance is important- wrong kind of chi gong
can have adverse effects))
That’s cute, but a little naïve.
I’m following the example of your glib initial post. Credit yourself with the precedent.
And people say I am snide and surly. :rolleyes:
Are pranayama and ROSS-based Dhikaniye, not ot mention a number of other Oriental or Western practices qigong? Because that’s what I’m talking about. RMA in particular make no reference to qi or any analogous concept in their methodology. Perhaps we are discussing different definitions here.
Care to elaborate (unless it’s more content free smarta$$ criticism)?
I know for sure that in the Moy Yat and Ip Ching styles the first section of siu nim tao is played very slowly for qigong purposes. It was said Ip Man would play that section for at least an hour a day. In my school it was encouraged. Not only to help develop explosive energy, but to help develop the horse. If you have no horse, you have no kung fu.
Me? I am too scientific to believe in chi. If you ask me, chi is simply the electrical nerve energy that flows through your body. It can’t travel through the air but the shock can be transferred through a medium (such as your arm) to your opponent. This energy is strengthened and trained by intense concentration through very, very slow movement. This is logical to me since everything in your body develops through intense usage (why not your nerves?) and nerve energy is guided through the mind (much like chi is said to). Since breathing is known to affect thought (duh) the relationship here is logical as well. I could go much deeper from here hehe.
Since that energy is always flowing through your body, if you stay still long enough your body parts will jerk about on thier own. Try the tan sao part of siu nim tao and stretch out the movement (movement concentrated on the elbow) to at least fifteen minutes and you will see what I mean.
jucraze sez:
Me? I am too scientific to believe in chi.
(Misuse of the term “scientific” IMO. But then…sigh)) .
Originally posted by jucraze
I know for sure that in the Moy Yat and Ip Ching styles the first section of siu nim tao is played very slowly for qigong purposes. It was said Ip Man would play that section for at least an hour a day. In my school it was encouraged. Not only to help develop explosive energy, but to help develop the horse. If you have no horse, you have no kung fu.
I would have thought it was more to do with developing the muscle conditioning in the horse and arms, rather than explosive power since the movement is played out for so long?
Namron wonders:
Less to do with muscle conditioning, more to do with alignmnets IMO
Actually, the word scientific is an adjective and I used it correctly.
The internal aspects of Siu Nim Tao were those that were told to me by my sifu, and also described by Grandmasters Ip Chun and Ip Ching at thier First United States Tour from Jan 22nd, 1995 thru Jan 31st, 1995. There they held Seminars where they answered many questions about ving tsun and went into detail about the forms with information given to them by Ip Man himself. I have a transcript full of notes but that would take waaaay too much time to post.
Im sure Hung Fa Yi practitioners might have something to say on this. Not that I know any, but “IF” (edited for those who cant read in BIG LETTERS) they are (as they believe themselves to be) the original form of ving tsun then perhaps they might have an internal element to speak about.
Im sure Hung Fa Yi practitioners might have something to say on this. Not that I know any, but if they are the original form of ving tsun…
Slick my friend, slick :rolleyes: