I have a question to all who read here…Do you really think you are getting genuine Kung Fu Training? And if you believe you do..then how are you certain your training is genuine?
Probably not. My current system is now going on its 2nd westerner generation. My Sifu’s, teacher(Master Azzolini) moved to Taiwan and learned it from Master Chen who learned it from Fan Chi Sau. A student of his families martial art and also a student of Wang Zi Ping.
So when Master Azzolini came back to the US, I am sure he modified the training a bit to suit a more commercial way of training. And as with many instructors, they tend to modify things a bit to suit their taste or view of certain applications and way of conditioning/training.
From there it got handed down to my Sifu. I am sure he had changed a few things as well. I know for a fact he added 2 form to the curriculum.
This is now being handed down to me. Should I decide to open up a school, I already am thinking of changing the curriculum around a bit and deleting forms and substituting other forms in their place.
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807306]I have a question to all who read here…Do you really think you are getting genuine Kung Fu Training? And if you believe you do..then how are you certain your training is genuine?[/QUOTE]
sparr with someone who is good.If you defend yourself well it’s real gong fu if not then it’s fake. simple…
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Kung Fu is not about defending it is counter attacking and sparring is not a real situation. A real fight would be over in seconds with Kung Fu you do not exchange strikes like boxing or MMA. Our stikes are to make 12 inches of penetration through the opponent, so how can you sparr with someone with out hurting them.
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807478]Kung Fu is not about defending it is counter attacking and sparring is not a real situation. A real fight would be over in seconds with Kung Fu you do not exchange strikes like boxing or MMA. Our stikes are to make 12 inches of penetration through the opponent, so how can you sparr with someone with out hurting them.[/QUOTE]
Ok so since you obviously have the correct training, answer your own questions for us.
Where are the True Masters
Well at least you are honest…correct me if I am wrong any true Kung Fo training must come directly from the Temple. Also the Temple’s will not allow any round eyes to train. Also Temple teachings are secret and if one is caught training Temple Secrets outside the Temple…this would be a serious situation? So the commercial training available to westerners must not really work?
LOL for your request for females - good effort
Training
I am questioning proper training and i am wondering how many of us are really training under a true Master. How many true Masters are in the states? And how do you know that you are training under a true Master. You dont know… we are sold on Commercial marketing and accept this as proper training. Bottom Line the true Art is a Secret and we can only learn what they what us to know. This has been the case always.
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807485]I am questioning proper training and i am wondering how many of us are really training under a true Master. How many true Masters are in the states? And how do you know that you are training under a true Master. You dont know… we are sold on Commercial marketing and accept this as proper training. Bottom Line the true Art is a Secret and we can only learn what they what us to know. This has been the case always.[/QUOTE]
Well by your own arguement that means you don’t either, which means this is an exercise in pointlessness & earns a rating of .375
Bye bye
Reponse
With out a doubt you are not trained properly … this is not an argument this was to be an inquiry. So you are right conversation with you is a very low rateing.
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807483]Well at least you are honest…correct me if I am wrong any true Kung Fo training must come directly from the Temple. Also the Temple’s will not allow any round eyes to train. Also Temple teachings are secret and if one is caught training Temple Secrets outside the Temple…this would be a serious situation? So the commercial training available to westerners must not really work?
LOL for your request for females - good effort[/QUOTE]
What temple you speak of. Shaolin Temple?
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Shaolin Temple is not where all CMA came from. Let’s not forget, Damo brought in the martial exercise. Eagle Claw and some Long Fist was brought into the temple from the military, later adapted by Shaolin. Taiji, Xing Yi, Bagua, did not come from Shaolin.
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Temple Secrets and not teaching round eyes ended when Shaolin burned down in the early 1900"s. There have been quite a few westerners that have become Shaolin Martial MOnks. There are quite a few monks that have migrated to the US and opened a school. Last July I took a class with Shi Yan Feng who now has a school in Houston.
I am basically saying that the training is not the traditional way of training. We no longer hold our mah bu stance for hours. We no longer practice punching into sand for hours. Spar full contact with no pads. But the same core training stands.
Commercial school not working. YOu would have to talk to my sifu about that. He is a police officer and uses Chin Na and various striking techniques on a weekly basis. Me personally I have won a few actual fights with what I have learned. Each instructor takes what he gets from his sifu. From there he opens his school and teaches based on his demographics to keep the school open and food on his table. The key is to have the right balance of teaching the right way and still keep students. If you teach too hard core, you will lose the none hard core students. If you teach too soft, you will lose the hard core students. So have to teach right down the middle.
Also westerners learn martial arts for a variety of reasons. Health fitness, defense, to become fighters, to be a forms dancer. In the olden days, there is only one purpose to learn martial art, to fight. So you have to modify your teaching to cater to all these personalities in a commercial school. Wether you’re learning proper kung fu or not is up to your own perception of Kung Fu. If you want to fight and all you are doing is forms, you would not think you are learning good kung fu. Same can be said the other way around.
Well at least you are honest…correct me if I am wrong any true Kung Fo training must come directly from the Temple.
Well, you ARE wrong. Most true kungfu does not come directly from “The Temple”.
Kung Fu is not about defending it is counter attacking and sparring is not a real situation. A real fight would be over in seconds with Kung Fu you do not exchange strikes like boxing or MMA. Our stikes are to make 12 inches of penetration through the opponent, so how can you sparr with someone with out hurting them.
Counter attacking is part of defense (sometimes the best defence is a good offense ;)). You can spar without hurting someone through self control. If a teacher’s telling his students they’re “too deadly” for sparring, he’s a fraud plain and simple. Without sparring you will NEVER be a good fighter. It’s not just about being strong, but learning timing, distance, control, and so on against a live resisting opponent (a lot different than pummeling inanimate objects or air ;)).
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807478]Kung Fu is not about defending it is counter attacking and sparring is not a real situation. A real fight would be over in seconds with Kung Fu you do not exchange strikes like boxing or MMA. Our stikes are to make 12 inches of penetration through the opponent, so how can you sparr with someone with out hurting them.[/QUOTE]
Sparring is not real fighting but it wll give you a good idea on how well you perform and if you have any real skill. How can you sparr without hurting your opponent is through control and wearing protection also when you sparr you don’t have to hit with 100% power to see if you can fight.
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807485]I am questioning proper training and i am wondering how many of us are really training under a true Master. How many true Masters are in the states? And how do you know that you are training under a true Master. You dont know… we are sold on Commercial marketing and accept this as proper training. Bottom Line the true Art is a Secret and we can only learn what they what us to know. This has been the case always.[/QUOTE]
real training is not secret..All good fighters train the same way,so see who is a good fighter then look to see how you train.Is it the same?
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807478]Kung Fu is not about defending it is counter attacking and sparring is not a real situation. A real fight would be over in seconds with Kung Fu you do not exchange strikes like boxing or MMA. Our stikes are to make 12 inches of penetration through the opponent, so how can you sparr with someone with out hurting them.[/QUOTE]
You should look into that "12 inches’ thing, you made be getting depth of penetration confused with my naked pics on the net.
Who is this sonny bozo anyways? He was questioning the ability of my Sifu and questioning wheather he was legit and talking crap about m.a. schools being commercialized (mainly insinuating that my teachers school is not any good as far as learning goes because he is to commercialized by having set material for each sash which is what I have is well). He doesn’t even know my Sifu. To answer his question…Yes I think and feel like I’m getting authentic Chinese Kung Fu. I know my teacher’s teacher who happens to be the Grandmaster of the system. My sifu’s name is Master John Dufresne. His teacher is Grandmaster John Wing Loc Ng. Both of whom are well know in m.a. community and both have been featured in several magazines.
Sanjuro
It is obvious you are training only for combat and you are missing the other aspects of training…..so I hope you really have that 12 inches to play with.
Alright then, who do you train under and why is it better than anything here?
Personally, I’m positive I’m training in real gongfu. Maybe not the hardcore Chinese way, but I need to keep a job. When I can look at videos and photos of Masters in China, and know that I do the same stuff, I think that it’s a pretty good sign of authenticity.When my Sigong and others come back from Shaolin with new applications, it’s a pretty good sign.
So please, enlighten me as to what REAL gonfu is?
I know that I am because it has a funny sounding name and the instructor looks Asian to me.
Hard question to answer. Depends what you feel kung fu is defined as…like someone else posted. Lots of people who study “Kung Fu” are not necessarily doing it for fighting. It is a way of life and a good way of maintaining ones health. What do you say to a 60 year old master or student? Because of ones age they can’t fight or should give up training all together? Hmmm then again I honestly believe some you think a 60 year old Kung Fu master/student probably has a long white beard and teaching “real shaolin” to unsuspected white folks.
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