[QUOTE=sonny1595;807478]Kung Fu is not about defending it is counter attacking and sparring is not a real situation. A real fight would be over in seconds with Kung Fu you do not exchange strikes like boxing or MMA. Our stikes are to make 12 inches of penetration through the opponent, so how can you sparr with someone with out hurting them.[/QUOTE]
Sonny must be a monster. I’d hate to enter his school. First, it must cost a fortune just to cover his insurance premiums. Second, since you have to make 12 inches of penetration, every newbie would get injured on the first day of class by one of the senior students, and I have to imagine that the senior students are locked in a death struggle not unlike the TV show Highlander, where there can only be one, and Sean Connery isn’t it, but that funny sounding french guy is, go figure. See, everyone must constantly be getting injured.
Just one more case in which martial arts is too deadly to be practiced.
Oh, and if you get invovled in an altercation, and you use too much force to defend yourself, you become the assailant, in terms of law, and will be on the receiving end of 12 inches of penetration as you grip the bars in your prison cell.
im everyone things they are training at a real school, at least people at their first school, but the more you see, the more schools you visit, - look at the fruit the tree produces-
and the guy on the first page was to the point, as did mark ho from that video last year
we can argue day and night, but if i beat you there is no more to argue about
meant to say, everyone thinks they are training at a real school , or else they wouldnt be there, and the original poster is wrong to see all the real art is hidden, is some of it hidden, probably, was most of it at one time hidden, most likely, are more guys sharing more and more , yes-
a friend of mine was at a bogus school for a few years, now he is at a real one, so he def knows the difference
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807737]It is obvious you are training only for combat and you are missing the other aspects of training…..so I hope you really have that 12 inches to play with.[/QUOTE]
A girl once told me that she needed 10" to be satisfied, I had to decline of course, I ain’t cutting Mr.Happy 2" for no one !!!
[QUOTE=mkriii;807689]Who is this sonny bozo anyways? He was questioning the ability of my Sifu and questioning wheather he was legit and talking crap about m.a. schools being commercialized (mainly insinuating that my teachers school is not any good as far as learning goes because he is to commercialized by having set material for each sash which is what I have is well).[/QUOTE]
It is obvious that this Sonny guy doesn’t know a thing about kung fu or any other Chinese martial art. He says that it isn’t kung fu if it doesn’t come from a temple…Which temple? There were three or four Shaolin temples. There is also a Wu Tang temple that teaches Wu Tang Kung Fu which is totally not Shaolin. Wu Tang teaches internal arts such as Tai Chi, Pa Qua, and Xing I Chaun. Here is a link to Wu Tang Temple.
On top of that you have family styles of kung fu. So to say that it is not kung fu because it didn’t come from a temple is crazy. Also for his information the Shaolin temple(s) are not what they used to be. They are commercialized. They are filled with tourists. Thousands of tourists visit the temple on a daily basis. This is one way the temple gets money to operate. I even heard that the temple was going to go on the stock market and sell stock…I don’t know if this is true or not though.
Stonecrusher…I agree to a certain degree but there are some things that one can’t do that he or she could have done in thier younger days. That doesn’t mean that they can’t teach someone how to do it. For axampl, teaching someone to do a back tuck. Someone may have been able to do that ten years ago but do to age can’t do it anymore. They can still coach and teach someone how to do a back tuck. Do you think that Gus DeAmoto (who trained Mike Tyson) could still box like he used to 30 or 40 years ago? Does this mean that he can’t coach or doesn’t know what he is talking about?
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807478]Kung Fu is not about defending it is counter attacking and sparring is not a real situation. A real fight would be over in seconds with Kung Fu you do not exchange strikes like boxing or MMA. Our stikes are to make 12 inches of penetration through the opponent, so how can you sparr with someone with out hurting them.[/QUOTE]
clearly, you are a noobzors of the highest calibre. lol
I just love it when people say things like this with ZERO to back up the statements.
12 second fight?
dude, it’s either less than one second (bullet)
or who knows how long it’ll take to break the other guys spirit, but Ive seen schoolyard brawls go for 3-5 minutes.
competition fights can go on and on and on until you gotta get up and go get another beer and be back for the last round and then, its a decision! arrrrgh.
anyway, if you are in 12 second fights where you win all the time, I would suggest that you stop going and beating on elementary school children because that is just nasty.
as to yoru original question, I don’t care what people think is genuine or not, what I care about is whether or not I can beat the crap out of you and take your fighting spirit from you before you can do same to me.
[QUOTE=mkriii;808866]Stonecrusher…I agree to a certain degree but there are some things that one can’t do that he or she could have done in thier younger days. That doesn’t mean that they can’t teach someone how to do it. For axampl, teaching someone to do a back tuck. Someone may have been able to do that ten years ago but do to age can’t do it anymore. They can still coach and teach someone how to do a back tuck. Do you think that Gus DeAmoto (who trained Mike Tyson) could still box like he used to 30 or 40 years ago? Does this mean that he can’t coach or doesn’t know what he is talking about?[/QUOTE]
I agree when one gets older you can’t do somethings like you used to.you can like you said teach it because you’ve done it and know how to pass it on,but what I meant was if say a sifu says he can use his kung fu in real fighting then when you see him sparr he can’t ever use the same tecnqnes he taught then I think he’s a bogas teacher.
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807478]Kung Fu is not about defending it is counter attacking and sparring is not a real situation. A real fight would be over in seconds with Kung Fu you do not exchange strikes like boxing or MMA. Our stikes are to make 12 inches of penetration through the opponent, so how can you sparr with someone with out hurting them.[/QUOTE]
Chinese Martial Arts embody harmonized teaching and training techniques which serve as either self-defense, healing, psychological revelation, vivfying exercise, or a spiritual path, and could act as a catalyst to people who would normally not be interested in spiritual practices or other esoteric training…
I’ve had two experiences with what I believed to be real kung fu teachers. For one, they didn’t care about keeping students. If you found the training to be too hard you quit. Everyone in the class worked as one unit. If you were slacking behind for whatever the reason for to long you’d be asked to leave.
All out sparring matches? Lets be honest. People would be killed if they are using real Kung Fu. That doesn’t mean they can’t use somewhat controlled sparring.
What really set these schools apart from most is the small number of students. Hardcore training is not for everyone. Class was not treated as a social event. Since I was only barely starting I didn’t get into the higher level training. Pain was your best teacher when it came to blocking and dodging. We were told to lay them out if they didn’t block or get out the way. If you pull a padded punch you aren’t helping yourself and you aren’t helping the person you are punching at.
Did I mention that they had no belt levels or slashes or anything else besides of where you stood in line?
When I asked my previous teacher rather or not his training was real he told me what he didn’t know. He said that he would teach in a way that was no easier than what he was taught and pass on his teachers training as they were passed on to him. If Dr. Wu was lying about studying in China, he took his lie to the grave. It was up to us rather or not we thought it was real and wished to continue learning from our current sifu.
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807483]Well at least you are honest…correct me if I am wrong any true Kung Fo training must come directly from the Temple. Also the Temple’s will not allow any round eyes to train. Also Temple teachings are secret and if one is caught training Temple Secrets outside the Temple…this would be a serious situation? So the commercial training available to westerners must not really work?
LOL for your request for females - good effort[/QUOTE]
LOL The “temple” is commercialize now. They will take you in if you have the green. If you want to learn real chinese MA just go down to one of the parks at 5 am and watch the old people that show up. BTW, Kung Fu is not a style. It’s the term for a skill achived through time and hard work.
[QUOTE=sonny1595;807483]Well at least you are honest…correct me if I am wrong any true Kung Fo training must come directly from the Temple. Also the Temple’s will not allow any round eyes to train. Also Temple teachings are secret and if one is caught training Temple Secrets outside the Temple…this would be a serious situation? So the commercial training available to westerners must not really work?
LOL for your request for females - good effort[/QUOTE]
You are wrong.
Not all Kung Fu comes from the temple. You have family styles of kung fu. You also have more than one temple. You have the Wu Dang Temple which is Taoist in philosophy where as the Shaolin Temple is Buddist in philosophy. Wu Dang concentrates more on the internal martial arts such as Hsing I, Ba Qua, and Tai Chi. Shaolin does do internal training but mostly external styles such as tiger, crane, leopard, dragon, mantis, and monkey styles, ect… There is a Shaolin Temple in Hunan Province and there was one in Fukien Province (southern China) before it was destroyed.
