[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1083252]Yeah! But your mom will always have hairy balls and look like Sammo Hung!
Where is the honor in that? 
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my mother looks like sammo hung. your mother looks like william hung.
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;1083253]bawang’s mother is a gay[/QUOTE]
choy lee fut is popular in california because only gays like martial art named after a vegetable. FACT
[QUOTE=bawang;1083254]my mother looks like sammo hung. your mother looks like william hung.[/QUOTE]
My mother is not strong like yours, but she was a cheerleader!
Rah Rah Rah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xIoI9sDwec&feature=related
she is from singapore.
she speaks with british/amoy/taiwanese accent.
oh, she is not my daughter.
liang ju, qian li ju, nan qiu.
there are horses born with good genetics, they runs like a wind with no effort.
there are horses born with not so much strength. you may try it all you want.
you only tire the horse without making it running any faster than it could.
thus the saying, good people or good horse comes once only in a thousand years
or something like that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ht1ZRura4E&feature=related
she sings “looking/expecting at spring wind”
a taiwanese folk song written in 1930s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQIiBL0Il54&feature=related
the 1930’s record
the 19 year old chun chun sang the original version.
back to regular discussion of muscles, strength and flexibility.
Geetings,
I always felt that pole dancing was a fantastic discipline that was done in strange places.
Your daughter’s performance was excellent, YouKnowWho. And, by the way, she is quite beautiful. I hope she keeps going with the art. By the way, she demonstrates an embodiment of kung fu that many only talk about.
To your question, TCMA has gotten away from that kind of training. Quite a few of the Northern styles trained gymnastics beyond the simple forward flip, cartwheel, and butterfly kicks. There was tumbling, floorwork. If you ever see an early picture of Lau Fat Man, you could easily observe that the guy was a ROCK and that his build was not for looks. Unfortunately, this discipline is only maintained by the Chinese opera companies.
mickey
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1083192]I’m proud to present my daughter’s excellent performance. Do you think CMA training can help you to achieve this kind of flexibility, balance, strength, endurence, body alignment, and inner connection?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2WguirjwYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ztoWCtg88
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Qrf5VfkMM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j35M4PGXU34
Onething in my mind is that I knew she has never done any weight training in her life time. To be able to hold on the pole with 2 arms and keep her body upside down (almost like a human flag) does require some arm strength. My question is, “Do you think her arm strength is different from those who builds big muscle from weight lifting?” What’s the difference between these 2 kind of muscle? I know I’m stronger than her but I can’t do what she did, why? Did she take “short cut” for her strength development? What might be that “short cut”? All my life I was working on big muscle, it seems to me that you don’t need to have big muscle to do certain thing (such as “human flag”).
What’ your opinion on this?[/QUOTE]
Great videos…which point to other ways of gaining strength that go beyond, or do not use weightlifting to create strength, power and efficient body unity.
In the past, I have come into conflict with various “modern” members of this forum when I had stated that the Wing Chun and Chow Gar training I received could give one potent power and strength, without using weight lifting exercises.
This concept was even more incredible with the Chow Gar approach, which is not something that is taught very openly.
I believe that besides the Chow Gar and WC approaches, there may be others as well.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1083246]That was a great performance.
Not to compare your daughter to an animal, but look at animals such as lions, tigers, leopards, apes/chimps, etc. They don’t lift weights, but move their own body weight, yet they are extremely powerful. More powerful than any world-class bodybuilder.[/QUOTE]
Jimbo, you have brought up a fundamental point. There is kung fu school of thought that believes that humans have lost the natural body unity that gives animals so powerful, relatively speaking, that is. Some lesser known kung fu training methodologies, including the internals aim to create this kind of body unity for humans.
The training that I am talking about is very rare, and I in the past, have had great arguments regarding this subject with some of these forum’s kung fu “gods”, who see Western style weight training, including the Olympic one, as the only way.
Suffice to say that the TCMA methodology in question has been totally missed by the Western physical training science. So, the only way to train this is to find a genuine sifu in styles such as Chow Gar, Pak Mei and Dragon. There are others styles out there too, but I think a lot of them may have lost these methodologies through over secretiveness and the Mcdojo phenomenom.
Did you really have to say it twice?
It is not like we haven’t seen these exact same words from you a million times before. I’m fairly certain everyone is familiar with where you stand on the issue.
Shouldn’t you be off somewhere chain punching a conspiracy theory.
[QUOTE=wenshu;1083300]Did you really have to say it twice?
It is not like we haven’t seen these exact same words from you a million times before. I’m fairly certain everyone is familiar with where you stand on the issue.
Shouldn’t you be off somewhere chain punching a conspiracy theory.[/QUOTE]
Even in this day and age people tend to confuse strength training with bodybuilding.
They shouldn’t.
Gynmasts do ST ( Strength training), Powerlifters do ST, Bodybuilders to ST, every pro athlete does ST, and so forth.
Very few people outside of BB or those that ST to get bigger muscles actually do the type of ST needed to build big muscles ( and the diet that goes with it), ie: Hypertrophy oriented ST.
Frost is right John, get a few good books on anatomy and strength building.
Specificity is the crucial element in ST, perhaps more so than any other activity.
Your daughters strength and muscle development, ALONG with her DIET ( funny how people always forget that part) and here predisposed genetics, are what got her looking the way she does.
This lady is a female powerlifter:
And so is this one:
This one is a BB:
This one does both:
These one are gynmasts:
And so is she:
The type of muscles “LOOK” you get is based on they type of ST you are doing, it’s just that simple.
Muscle is muscle, HOW it is trained, along with diet, will dictate how it looks AND what it is strongest at.
Wang Shifu, you should try an experiment. See how much your daughter can deadlift. (Assuming qualified instruction on proper form)
I’ll give 2:1 that she can move more plates than the entire Wing Chun forum combined.
One can have much muscle and little control over it.
It’s like having a lambo and not really knowing how to drive it right.
Congrats to your daughter on her win John. Good grace and strength there.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1083317]The type of muscles “LOOK” you get is based on they type of ST you are doing, it’s just that simple.
Muscle is muscle, HOW it is trained, along with diet, will dictate how it looks AND what it is strongest at.[/QUOTE]
Agreed and agreed, but there are other ways to create strength. The TCMA internals deal with that other way, and that has not got much to do with chi development, not at least to start with.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1083378]Agreed and agreed, but there are other ways to create strength. The TCMA internals deal with that other way, and that has not got much to do with chi development, not at least to start with.:)[/QUOTE]
Well, when that is proven in a laboratory or in comparative analysis, then I’ll give you that.
Till then, when it comes to building the strength of the muscle, which is involved in EVERY movement we make, I will stick to what has been proven over and over and over, even in China, to be the best way to build muscular strength, endurance and explosive power and that is progressive resistence training.
Like I said a few times before, if I find myself in a situation that requires the use of strong muscles to save my life, I would prefer to have with my a strong man, rather than someone that has spent the last 30 years doing IMA and can’t even deadlfit his bodyweight.
deadlift?
press man.
a dude in good shape should be able to bench press his own body weight at least once. If no can do, should be able to do with a short ramp up in less than 30 days.
deadlift should see you lifting 1.5x your bodyweight. lol on the first go.
structural knowledge aside and assumed.
was watching “destroyed in seconds” awesome show by the way…anyhow there was a helicopter crash in a ditch in hawaii, dudes buddy was flying…big ol hawaiin guy came over and lifted the helicopter up to get dude out.
only way that happened was because the guy was a lifter.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1083389]deadlift?
press man.
a dude in good shape should be able to bench press his own body weight at least once. If no can do, should be able to do with a short ramp up in less than 30 days.
deadlift should see you lifting 1.5x your bodyweight. lol on the first go.
structural knowledge aside and assumed.[/QUOTE]
I used the DL because the DL is one of those “natural” lifts that everyone needs to be able to do, we DL things all the freaking time in our day to day.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1083391]was watching “destroyed in seconds” awesome show by the way…anyhow there was a helicopter crash in a ditch in hawaii, dudes buddy was flying…big ol hawaiin guy came over and lifted the helicopter up to get dude out.
only way that happened was because the guy was a lifter.[/QUOTE]
well, maybe not. helo’s don’t weigh much and you did say he was a big ol Hawaiian guy so I’m gonna assume he probably also outweighs the chopper. lol