[QUOTE=LaRoux;1215631]Once again, it’s very interesting that there is no actual verifiable evidence for this type of technique being used successfully on a consistent basis.[/QUOTE]
Hi LaRoux. Evidence for who? Are we on trial here? Wing chun is not my primary style but I do have a little experience in this system. Do you? If so, all the evidence you will need is to take what you learn and spar. If you are as intelligent as you seem, you’ll figure it out. Martial arts is something that should be done, not so much talked about in order to understand and appreciated.
I will agree that a lot the stuff shown on youtube will not work the way its demo’d but can work if approach the right way.
[QUOTE=Bernard;1215634]Hi LaRoux. Evidence for who? Are we on trial here?
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No one is on trial, but if you want someone to believe that you can make a technique work, you should be able to provide some kind of verifiable evidence of it working in a live situation.
Wing chun is not my primary style but I do have a little experience in this system. Do you? If so, all the evidence you will need is to take what you learn and spar. If you are as intelligent as you seem, you’ll figure it out.
I’ve seen people try it in sparring. I haven’t seen anyone make it work consistently.
You are claiming to be able to make it work in sparring. In these days of youtube and smart phones it should be a simple matter to provide this evidence.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1215637]No one is on trial, but if you want someone to believe that you can make a technique work, you should be able to provide some kind of verifiable evidence of it working in a live situation.
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That’s just it. It doesn’t matter to me. Believe what you want. It’s your prerogative not to believe. I’m not trying to convert you to my “religion” I’m in my forties now and don’t have time for such nonsense.
But if you want, take the ideas that’s given to you and try it yourself. It’s not hard…
[QUOTE=Bernard;1215638]That’s just it. It doesn’t matter to me. Believe what you want. It’s your prerogative not to believe. I’m not trying to convert you to my “religion” I’m in my forties now and don’t have time for such nonsense.
But if you want, take the ideas that’s given to you and try it yourself. It’s not hard…[/QUOTE]
That’s OK, I’ll stick with the things that work. I already know all the ones that don’t work.
[QUOTE=Bernard;1215641]Makes me wonder though why you frequent a kung fu forum…[/QUOTE]
That’s OK, I wonder the same thing about why so many people feel the need to talk about techniques they claim to use in full-contact situations when clearly they haven’t.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1215642]That’s OK, I wonder the same thing about why so many people feel the need to talk about techniques they claim to use in full-contact situations when clearly they haven’t.[/QUOTE]
Nice evasion. Are you trying to convert us to your religion or do I smell troll…
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1216339]If you expect hooks distance management is key.[/QUOTE]
To “move back” and remain distance is from the striker point of view. To move back, you may dodge this hook but you still have to dodge next hook and the hook after that.
From the grappler’s point of view is to “move in”, wrap his arms, head lock or over hook, and take him down. This way, you have solve your hook punch problem once for all. The rest is just to force the boxer to play your favor ground game.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1216344]To “move back” and remain distance is from the striker point of view. To move back, you may dodge this hook but you still have to dodge next hook and the hook after that.
From the grappler’s point of view is to “move in”, wrap his arms, head lock or over hook, and take him down. This way, you have solve your hook punch problem once for all. The rest is just to force the boxer to play your favor ground game.[/QUOTE]
Sure. This just boxing in a ring. Some boxers know how to adapt outside of the ring.
Depends…
Ali had that famous demo “match” against the well known Japanese grappler Inoki.
Inoki just laid down on the floor, crawled around on his back kicking Ali’s legs. Rules required that Ali coould box with gloves on.
A no contest but Ali’s legs were black and blue.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1216343]In their first fight Frazier knocked Ali down with a hook.
But Ali survived, Almost everyone else would have been in dreamland.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1216354]The WC Tan Pai Shou is on the right track. If you can just slide your Pai Shou behind your opponent’s neck …[/QUOTE]
Not sure where you get your ideas about VT. If I move back in a straight line one can close their eyes and advance on me to grapple or swing. That’s why we angle, it forces shifts in direction and allows counters on recovery of errors.
If I move back in a straight line one can close their eyes and advance on me to grapple or swing. That’s why we angle, it forces shifts in direction and allows counters on recovery of errors.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1216356]Not sure where you get your ideas about VT. If I move back in a straight line one can close their eyes and advance on me to grapple or swing. That’s why we angle, it forces shifts in direction and allows counters on recovery of errors.[/QUOTE]
You want your opponent to advance on you, and “step in his left leg”. His left leg is what you are waiting for.
Since you already have 2 contact points on his body, your left arm Tang Shou and your right hand behind his neck, when you attack his left leg, you will have all 3 contact points that you need to take him down.
Again, this is from a grappler point of view and not from a striker point of view.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1216372]You want your opponent to advance on you, and “step in his left leg”. His left leg is what you are waiting for.
Since you already have 2 contact points on his body. Your left arm Tang Shou and your right hand behind his neck, when you attack his left leg, you will have 3 contact points.[/QUOTE]
Wing chun is not my primary style but I do have a little experience in this system. Do you? If so, all the evidence you will need is to take what you learn and spar. If you are as intelligent as you seem, you’ll figure it out. Martial arts is something that should be done, not so much talked about in order to understand and appreciated.