[QUOTE=bawang;1051862]im not calling out your teacher im just showing that vid as an example, flowery things fork rolling is pretty obscure but survive from 500 years or more.[/QUOTE]
no, I know you aren’t, no worries - it was a valid example, I was just putting it into some context to actually support what you were saying
[QUOTE=bawang;1051862]the training for tiger fork is pretty simple. the drill in jixiaoxinshu is ``four flat stance, big clinch, kill, small clinch, kill, clinch up, kill, small clinch up, kill. block up, press to kill. then u turn around repeat.
if you eliminate need for audience and remove the audience aspect altogether, there wouldnt be need for these tings.[/QUOTE]
exactly - it’s a long stick with three sharp points at the end - you stab, stab, stab, maybe tangle up a weapon or get it stuck in something, so you may need o twist it to get it back…
[QUOTE=bawang;1051862]when the generals at the top hierarchy in command of the entire country used to condemn these things, their comments should be taken seriously. there shouldnt be any thoughts of an audience, out of principle. but when even your form you salute to invisible audience in the four corners, you have a problem.
teaching flowery twirling for crowd performance for survival, teaching some forms to rich boys for some quick cash, yes thats ok, but todays globalism and technology means you mislead one guy, you mislead a thousand. because that one guy is gonna spread the bullsh1t u told him all over the world.
plus with all the social cues and constraints removed , anyone can claim to be a master. yesterdays nerds and weird guys suddenly are grandmasters today. the harmless dumb silent guai lo in the back of the room turned out to be a ticking time bomb, waiting for the time to destroy kung fu and making it another cliche fad in american culture.
when the american public mocks GOD, mocks jesus, the source of western civilization and the history of their ancestors, why would you expect anyone to have repsect for your backflips and butterfly kicks and sword twirling from some silly chinamen[/QUOTE]
silly Chinaman, tricks are for white kids…
exactly - it’s a long stick with three sharp points at the end - you stab, stab, stab, maybe tangle up a weapon or get it stuck in something, so you may need o twist it to get it back…
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entanglement is the whole point of tiger fork. its for support infantry to tie up the enemy. kill stance doesnt mean you kill. it means you hold him in the kill position then yor squad mates finish. the tigerfork can break even japanese swords easily. japanese turn the edge backwards and fight with the back of the blade when they fight forks.
Lots of good responses here. And maybe I should clarify my position by saying that I totally agree with what has been said about the need for open competition. I will encourage my students to try it if it ever becomes available here. The only other kf school I know of is a Wu Tan group 160 miles away and they don’t do competition. There is a sports arena less than a mile from my school that regularly features amateur “championships” (at a pretty low level of skill, I’ve been told). Might be a good venue for some of us.
I don’t know the rules and I’m pretty sure I don’t have the specific skills to train others for this kind of competition. My cambo partners don’t have strikes. My jj has good groundwork but leaves out the strikes in competition. My kf has it all to varying degrees but because of time constraints we work mostly standing up. The classical Japanese stuff is good for preparing to fight a 16th century Japanese soldier, but that hasn’t happened in a while. Overall, we have plenty of knowledge. Three of my students are instructors in other arts. We just don’t have the interest in what’s going on under some stage lights somewhere else.
Watching any competition bores me and the idea of spectator sports makes me want to scream, “Get off your butts and go do it yourselves! Get some exercise!”
So maybe I just want to clarify my thinking on this. Is the semi-clandestine/anti-sporting attitude I share with my teachers preventing me from learning something valuable? Even though I’ll never be a fan of professional fighters, should I watch what they are doing on YouTube? Life is short and I’d rather train.
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when the american public mocks GOD, mocks jesus, the source of western civilization and the history of their ancestors, why would you expect anyone to have repsect for your backflips and butterfly kicks and sword twirling from some silly chinamen[/QUOTE]
Huh? Not sure I understand this. Are you saying “jesus” is a source of western civilization? Western civilization started in Anatolia 8000 years before Rabbi Yeshua came to town.
It is probably wrong to mock gods, but some are better than others. btw I am very interested in the history of my ancestors who used the word god properly and not as a substitute name for some foreign tribal deity.
I hope the twirly swords and backflips will die out from the public conception of kung fu. But it probably won’t anytime soon. We should all go back to the old ways and not call our “styles” anything but Joe Blow’s fighting or Rick’s Stick headcrunching technique. That way popular media won’t shame the name of kung fu. My art is no longer Chinese. It comes from China. But my personal arrogance and stupidity should not make people think poorly of the ancestors.