There was a thread long time ago where the definition of Tuet Jin was being debated. I don’t remember the outcome.
I remember Master (Tat Mau) Wong telling me that what we do in the LKH lineage is not exactly pronounced “teet” but more “tuet”, and thus has a different meaning. The literal meaning wasn’t explained, but what he talked more about was that it was a “fighting” form.
The Tuet Jin Kune I know has some pretty fast footwork, compared to some of the earlier forms. But I’m not sure about the specific influence for this, perhaps CLFNole or Fu-Pow could explain.
One of my friends calls this “The seasick form” because there’s so much turning around. She did it several times in a row, full speed and power, and I guess it messed with her equallibrium!
From what I know this form translates into breaking holds or something like fighting your way out of an ambush. The purpose of this set (in the LKH lineage, haven’t seen other versions) is to fighting multiple attackers that is why there is a lot of direction changes, etc.
Peace.
P.S. Tat Wong’s version is a little different from sifu’s.
I know “Tit Jin Cheung Kuen” means Iron Arrow Long Fists and is one of the 10 CLF primary level forms. Is “Tuet Jin Kuen” the same thing or something different? I have never heard of this name in CLF before, can you give me the Chinese character and the history? Could it have came from Shek Kin?
Give me a bit of time on the chinese characters not sure how to do it and I will need my wife to write it down. I think on the Lee Koon Hung website in the links section under Wong Chi Yuen and Pang Koo Chiu they have video clips and I remember seeing a student doing the form. That site is in chinese so it likely has the characters.
The form has a pattern in it gwa choy, chum kiu, sow choy, gwa choy that is repeating a couple of times. It has all clf techniques and did not come from Shek Kin. To my knowledge it was passed on to LKH from Leung Sai, sifu’s si hing.
Peace.
P.S. By the way do you have a list of the clf forms broken down into the 3 levels?
Thanks for the lead to HKLKH website, it has great reference material on CLF history, even got Chan Heung’s writing which I have not seen before, also got one by Lau Kam-Dong on Jeong Yim Hung Sing history and techniques which is a shocker because the name CLF is deleted altogether, now it is called Fut Gar Hung Sing and Fut Gar Buk Sing instead! The history of denial comes full circle but I won’t go into it, so everyone can relax.
I found the Chinese character for Tud Jin Kuen, but not the clip. Tud means to shed, to cast off or to escape from and Jin means fighting, so “Tud Jin Kuen” can be transalated as “Escape from Fighting Form”. It is not the same as Tit Jin Cheung Kuen which has a lot of powerful long and straight punches.
Looking at the HKLKH teaching curriculum, there are a few forms that are different from what I know. An interesting item is Peng Kuen is grouped under secondary level forms whereas I know it as a primary level form.
I only know the names of the 10 primary level form well, plus the Ba Gwa forms in the secondary level and the 10 Animal forms in the tertiary level and a few others but not the total 48 or so fist forms.
I try to remember the 10 primary level forms this way:
2 Ng: Ng Lun Ma and Ng Lun Chui.
2 Siu: Siu Mui Fa and Siu Sup Ji
2 Sup: Sup Ji Kau Da and Sup Ji Jit Fu
2 Peng: Peng Kuen and Peng Jiang
2 Hung: Kung Ji Fok Fu and Tit Jin Cheung Kuen.
I called the last two “Hung” because they have Hung Kuen influence. They were suppose to have passed down by Chan Yuan-Wu, Chan Heung’s first teacher.
I can’t seem to get it to work in my office, when I get home later I will check it, but if it is the fu-pow/ping kuen mix I think that is Wong Chi Yuen, he can also be seen (much younger) in some of the other clips in the top section.
I didn’t mean Hung Ga as a style we know today, I mean MA as passed down by Hung Moon the secret society and many of the southern styles have Hung Moon influence.
“Kung Ji Fok Fu Kuen” and “Tit Jin Cheung Kuen” were seldom taught and I think that is why they didn’t get passed down more than other forms. Grouping them together is my idea for memory, the Hung bit don’t mean anything historical or factual.
They just share the same name that is it. It is not uncommon within chinese kung fu styles to have the same name for a form. For example: Jeui Baat Seen Kuen (8 Drunken Immortals) is a name for a form in CLF, Hung Fut, Hak Fu Moon).
Peace.
P.S. By the way regarding the video clip we were discussing earlier it is being demonstrated by Sifu Wong Chi Yuen of Hong Kong. He can also be seen doing Ping Kuen in the group of video clips above #3 back in the 1980s.
