Siu Sup Ji Kuen/ Small Cross Pattern Fist
Ng Lun Ma (aka Lie Ma)/ 5 Wheel Stance Form
Ng Lun Choy (aka Che Kuen)/ 5 Wheel Fist
Jau San Ma, Sei Moon Kiu/ Lively Horse Four Door Bridge
Siu Mui Fa Kuen/ Small Plum Blossom Fist
Siu Sup Ji Kuen/ Small Cross Pattern Fist
Sup Ji Kuen/ Cross Pattern Fist
Sup Ji Jit Fu Kuen/ Cross Pattern Block Tiger Fist
Sup Ji Kau Da Kuen/ Cross Pattern Hook-Strike Fist
Tuet Jin Kuen/Escape the Circle Fist
Tid Jin Cheong Kuen/Iron Arrow Long Fist
Ping Kuen / Level Fist
Ping Jaang Kuen/ Level Elbow Fist
Gong Ji Fook Fu Kuen/ Cross Pattern Tame Tiger Fist
Bak Mo Kuen/ White Hair (Old Man) Fist
Fut Jeong Kuen/ Buddha Palm Fist
Joi Ba Sin Kuen/ 8 Drunken Immortals Fist
Chyun Lung Saap Bak Sik/ 18 Penetrating Dragon Methods
Jo Yauh Dan Geuk Kuen/ Left-right single leg kicking form
Oi lem bic da soi sau yam yeung gung/External yin yang sticky exercise for close fighting and hand breaking
Bagua Sam Kuen/ Heart of Bagua Fist
Hung Yen Bagua Kuen/ Bear Man Bagua Fist
Siu Bagua Kuen/ Small Bagua Fist
Daai Bagua Kuen/ Big Bagua Fist
Dau Fu Bagua Kuen/ Fighting the Tiger Bagua Fist
Yee Jong Bagua Kuen/ Yee Jong’s Bagua Fist
Ng Ying Daai Bagua Kuen/ 5 Animals Big Bagua Fist
Daht Ting Bagua Kuen/ Daht Ting’s Bagua Fist
Mui Fa Bagua Kuen/ Plum Blossom Bagua Fist
Internal Forms
Sup Ba Lohan Yik Gun Kuen/ 18 Buddha Tendon Changing
Siu Lohan Kuen/ Small Budda Fist
Daai Lohan Kuen/ Big Buddha Fist
Daai Gik Kuen/ Great Extreme Fist
Mo Gik Kuen/ Empty Fist
Da Gau-Sam Sing/ Hit 3-9 Star Blocking
Ng Lun Chak Kuen/ 5 Wheel Fist Exercise
Siu Mui Fa Chak Kuen/ Siu Mui Fa vs. Siu Mui Fa
Sup Ji Chak Siu Mui Fa Kuen/ Sup Ji vs. Sui Mui Fa
Fu Ying Chak Hok Ying Kuen/ Tiger vs. Crane
Seh Ying Chak Hok Ying Kuen/ Snake vs. Crane
Gam Pau Chak Fu Yeng Kuen/ Golden Leopard vs. Tiger
Lung Ying Chak Fu Ying Kuen/ Dragon vs. Tiger
Si Ying Chak Jeong Ying Kuen/ Lion vs. Elephant
Hao Ying Chak Biu Ying Kuen/ Monkey vs. Deer
Jeong Ying Chak Ma Ying Kuen / Elephant vs. Horse
No, not a syllabus. This is a compilation of forms mainly from the Chan Family branch, a lot of which we don’t have. This is more like a list of forms that I already know and ones that I’d like to see and possibly be interested in learning. I have included a few forms that are unique to our branch, for example Fu-Pao kuen and Tuet Jin Kuen. We have influence from both Jeong Hung Sing and Chan Family branch.
I’m going to include that form but I’m including it in “obscure” forms because most lineages don’t have it. Not in anyway saying it isn’t valuable or isn’t CLF.
The rest of list should be posted soon. Will include weapon forms, 2 man weapon forms, dummy forms and “obscure forms.”
I haven’t seen Ba Gua Long on anyone’s form list. Perhaps someone is calling the same form differently than the Chan Family. Maybe Ba Gua Long is the same thing as Ng Ying Daai Ba Gua? This would make sense because they would both include the Long Ying.
It’s ‘Long’ as in rough translation for brotherhood or something like that. The old Choy Lee Fut book mini mag put out back in the 70s lists it, Wong Ha in Vancouver & Wong Doc Fai also teach it.
Hmmm…interesting. I didn’t see it on the list at plumflower.net. I still think it probably corresponds to one of the forms already on the list. Which one though? The only way I would know is if I saw the forms and I don’t see that happening anytime in the near future. I’ll add it to the “obscure” list even though it might not be obscure.
Originally posted by Ben Gash Fu-Pow, could you quantify how Tuet Jin is unique to your branch?
Is that Iron Arrow? If so, Dave Lacey certainly had it on his curriculum, and he teaches Buk Sing. I remember a lot of people considered it their favourite form.
Tit Jin Cheung Kuen may or may not be the same form as the one discussed here. Spelling is always kind of flexible with these names…
Tit Jin Cheung Kuen is very, very Hung Gar, and that’s where it comes from, originally. It has Choy Lee Fut “flavor” (which makes it very different in many people’s opinion, not so different in others’), though, and since I have not seen any Hung Gar players perform their version of the form, I am far from being able to say whether this is the case or not or what that would even mean, really. But it does feel very different from the other forms I have learned and it corresponds to the idea I have of Hung Gar.
A lot of elbows (blocks), a lot of cheung ngan choi’s, very mobile, a lot straight lines both in footwork and in strikes (although there are several other patterns involved, too, like 45 degree stepping and sow chui’s)…sound similar at all?
Oh yeah, extremely long (about 350 moves, depending on the way one counts them). If I am not mistaken, it is one of the longest forms in Choy Lee Fut.
The Tuet Jin I know (which is very similar to LKH/TMW’s) isn’t Hung like in the least. Indeed, it’s probably one of the most representative CLF sets. Also, there is no Tuet Jin in Hung Gar. There’s a Tuet Sin (Iron thread) which is a hard Qigong set in the iron shirt mould.
Then I must be mistaken. Maybe it’s another form that I am thinking of now. Like I said, spelling might pose a problem or two every once in a while…
But the translation given to me was Iron Arrow or Iron Spear. Anton used the same translation.
I think that what is representative of Choy Lee Fut and what is not is a matter of opinion to a degree. Choy Lee Fut is so, so wide in its material.
It’s kind of hard to explain, but let’s say Siu Mui Fa is more the kind of Choy Lee Fut with which I am familiar. If you then see the difference, then we might be talking about the same form. If you don’t see the difference, we still might be talking about the same form..
But the length is a dead giveaway, I think.
Nonetheless, same form or not, Chan Family Choy Lee Fut has that kind of form, whether it has anything to do with the form discussed here or not…
And the form I am referring to is called Tiet Sien Kuen (iron wire form). It’s the third form from the top (one of the three core forms of Hung Gar).
How different this form is from the Choy Lee Fut form that I have learned, I do not know. But I am told this is the basis for the form by the same (or very similar) name in the Choy Lee Fut system. And to me it feels very different from other CLF forms and is very much alike the little Hung Gar I have seen.
One huge problem with compilations and generalizations…
One problem, for instance with the form Sup Chi.(or dai sup chi)
I have learnt it from 3 differant lineages, and have 3 TOTALLY different forms.
We are assuming that the forms are the same. But alas it is often not so. The only similarity is in name only.
Dont get me wrong, I am not saying that all the sets are differant in all lineages…just that when lineage A says “Do you do XYZ set?” and they reply “yes we do XYZ also”…it dosent mean anything other than “we also have a set NAMED XYZ”.
You really have to compare and visualized the set to see if they are the same. Bec ause they often aren’t, especially as you compare the other branches of CLF.
Now, a visual cataloge put together by the interrested parties…that would be better. THEN you can compare
apples with apples.
Tid Jin Cheong Kuen=Iron Arrow Long Fist
Tuet Jin Kuen= “Escape the Circle” or “Break Holds” Fist
Totally different Chinese Characters.
I actually should have included Tid Jin Cheong Kuen to the list. Originally I thought it was a form that was unique to Doc Fai Wong/Lau Bun lineage but now I see that it is quite common place.
