stanmore
take a look again?
show me where it says “we’re sorry, We are Embarrassed” and were forced to print those comments?
I only see a release of Liability, not a sign of embarrassment.
where is the embarrassment?
why do you think if they were embarrassed to print that, then why did they?
I saw This quote:“For the record, we, The Buck Sing Gwoon, maintain Chan Heung as the founder of Choy Lay Fut”
actually,
if you ever claim anything…Joseph will come in to chime that Chan Heung has a whole set of blah blah blah to learn about that subject.
The only thing i agree with you iron Silk, is that there is too much bs in CLF history.
what should happen is that CHan Family is the founder of Chan Family Choy Lee Fut, Jeong Yim is the Founder of Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut, and Tam Sam the founder of Buk Sing Choy Lee FUt.
what is taught in each branch is different all the way around.
Chan Heung learned his gung fu from others, he didn’t invent the system on his own. he only took the best of what he learned and developed into his own system.
Since Jeong Yim learned from Lee Yau San, Chan Heung and Green Grass Monk Jeong Yim took the best of what he learned and created a system of gung fu that was passed down within his own school.
Tam Sam taught what he developed within his own school as well.
the argument of who was first, and who has the most forms has to stop. Buk Sing Kwoon only has three CLF forms, yet their reputation as hardcore fighters are well known.
we all have our own histories, it;s when people from the other branches trying to tell you about your own family is when the problem starts.
Well you don’t really know their arrangement…I must admit it does sound funny…but it is really between them should leave it as such and really doesn’t reflect history since there could be many of good reasons I am sure.
For one you can always learn from anybody…maybe the current generation of CLF masters at King Mui isn’t quite up to par? Only speculations I have no idea.
The quote is telling us that the buck sing gwoon considers Chan Heung the founder of CLF.
Not jeong yim. OK?
stanmore,
where is the embarrassment?
I still only see a release of liability.
Although they may believe what it says, they are only releasing themselves from any reprecussions from posting that information.
come on.:mad:
also, i can tell you that information is really old.
do you know how long that has been out there?
I can tell you that the Buk Sing people did support Chan Heung until they started researching Hung SIng Kwoon history. that’s when things changed.
as well, some don’t want to rock the boat so they don’t trip off of the popular history. You see, Tam Sam shared his info with his students. Tam Sam was a Hung Sing Man, who believed in the Fut San Hung SIng Kwoon not Chan Family CLF.
Because people like Frank only wants to see what they want to see. FULL STOP!
are you sure the buk sing branch believes that Chan Heung was the sole founder?
are you sure about that? have you ever spoken with a Buk Sing elder to base your comments on?
i didn’t think so.
I see them claiming chan heung is founder of CLF. I’m not talking about liability.
This quote: “For the record, we, The Buck Sing Gwoon, maintain Chan Heung as the founder of Choy Lay Fut”
do you people see how i’ve asked questions but none have been answered?
This quote:“For the record, we, The Buck Sing Gwoon, maintain Chan Heung as the founder of Choy Lay Fut”
The quote mentions only Chan Heung as founder of CLF. No Jeong Yim or co-founder. OK?
No. Not true, Tam Sam was long dead before Kong Hing made his claim. Futsan actually never said Chan Heung was not the founder of CLF.
Although I think Joseph is quite knowledgeable I don’t quite agree with his behaviour all the time. (just like the way I feel about you)
I just want to know when did this Jeong Yim learn from Lee Yau San came about??? cause way back when or even a while ago this was never mentioned.
I mean slowly but surely your history version of Jeong Yim is taking over Chan Heung’s life. First it was Ching Cho, second Lee Yau San, and third…he is the b@stard love child of Chan Yuen Wu???
I agree we should stick to our own lineage but to say Jeong Yim taugh Chan Koon Pak spit in the face of Chan Family since he is the second generation successor.
And no offense to Kong Hing but he came from a lineage (Tam Sam - Buk Sing) that is a generation removed from Jeong Yim and left before completing his training. Moving away from all this to develop his own how well can his possibily know the history??? Despite Kong Hing being of old generation…time and people affect the history being told. Period. Not hard facts I am afraid.
Think we’ll just have to accept that this is as far as it will go.
see, to the folks like joseph who act like Chan family representatives are only ****ed off that they cannot disprove Jeong Yim and his lineage or history.
they have tried to fool you people to think that CHan Heung sent Jeong Yim to open a fut san hung sing kwoon much later than when we tell it.
but then we have government officials who confirm that Jeong Yim was already teaching in Fut San before 1851. He was registered in 1851 when he organized all the Hung SIng Kwoon’s in Fut San to join in on the revolution.
They have tried to claim that Chan Sent Jeong Yim to Fut San in 1867 to re-open a chan family school. However, Jeong Him returned in 1867 to re-open his own school after evading capture for 3 years from 1864-1867.
But if you listen to the Chan Family members about Jeong Yim, then you will never know about him and his legacy because they want to push it to the back burner so you can focus on Chan Heung and his lineage.
I guess this fight will never end.
Yeah, where did this Lee yau san thing come into the story?
What’s next? You dug up an electronic kuen po from E. T. ?
If they all were so united to support Chan Heung to begin with there must’ve been a good reason. Since Buk Sing don’t hold back on history and all.
Then we all decide to change when they returned to Fut San right? So Buk Sing didn’t really know their history until recently…which makes what Kong Hing said out of date really.
It would be really cool if someone could check up on the registry though. But seriously how reliable to is that?
So Chan change the story to push Chan Heung…not unlike Fut San changing their history to push Jeong Yim???
This is getting ridiculous isn’t it? Jeong Yim registered with government of futsan to overthrow government through revolution?
the information on Jeong Yim learning from Lee Yau San came via Chan Ngau Sing down to his disciple Qian Wei Fang, and so on from generation to generation.
Iron Silk, if you take time to research it, the fut san Hung SIng Kwoon has much of this information on it. You ask why did all this new information come out only now?
well it’s because until 1998 no one new that the Hung SIng Kwoon in Fut San Still existed. The first people to put on the net jeong yim’s info was my sifu’s website(hungsing.com).
Now, that information on the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon is available, then new stuff was uncovered.
In actuality, written records, and a few Kuen Po’s were excavated on the Fut San Hung SIng kwoon. I will try to post the pictures of one of the Fut San History books, and even a small section of a Kuen Po.
pls seehttp://www.hongshengguan.com
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