Did you see this disclaimer written in red at the top of the page?
‘What is said forthwith conflicts with the popular history concerning the development of Choy Lay Fut. It is presented as we heard it, and without bias. The Buck Sing Gwoon takes no responsibility whatsoever for it’s implications, if any. For the record, we, The Buck Sing Gwoon, maintain Chan Heung as the founder of Choy Lay Fut.’
Even the author was embarassed by the story made up by Kong Hing and Leong Ji, have you got no brain to see through the tripe?
Interestingly, the way you view forms, why do you not just teach pure lau bun clf but instead you and your sifu go back to futsan to GET MORE FORMS and now teach some futsan forms as well?
If Jeong Yim taught Chan Heung, or founded clf, then how come his branch doesn’t have all the wooden dummies, internal clf and the 8 bagua forms?
EJ,
I wonder why he and his group are getting MORE FORMS from futsan given how he feels about forms? And why teach more forms from the futsan group that is not found in the lau bun clf?
I don’t care about Kong Hin’s point of view. I rather listen to Ng Fu Hang, Chen Yong Fa and EJ.
Did Kong Hin meet Chan Heung? I don’t think so. Why can’t he be biased?
Yuen Hai was Jeong Yim’s student. Jeong Yim IS the founder of his Kwoon in Fut San.
Lau Bun was a student of Yuen Hai. Lau Bun came to america in the early 1900’s. Jeong Yim died only two years after Lau Bun was born.
Lau Bun learned HS CLF in it’s most earliest form. He learned what was being taught at THAT time. Chan Ngau Sing took what was being taught and made it easier for the newer students.
We never went back to learn more forms, we were happy with our own. But after dealing with Fut San who instantly recognized us as coming directly from Fut San, we only then chose to pick up whatever Fut San was teaching. So, we picked up a few more forms that were passed down from the origin of OUR gung fu. What’s the problem with that?
I see, its just your way of trying to stir up some trouble.
If the Chan family was so great and such, then why did they take Doc Fai Wong as the one who teaches their bloodline now? Why doesn’t the bloodline of Chan Family Choy Lee Fut teach their own family? Yet the let some guy from san francisco come into china and they chose him to teach their own family.
I wonder why someone from america had to go to china to teach the CHan Family their own Choy Lee Fut???
They have already picked their side and said so, the main sifu of that school knew Chen Yong-Fa very well from way back when they fought together in tounaments.
I am not a Chan Family member. I practice Fut San Hung SIng Choy Lee Fut.
If i was a Chan Family disciple, then i could see the benefit in going to Ging Mui.
Still, My roots come from Fut San Hung SIng Choy Lee Fut, the birth place of Jeong Yim’s gung fu, which consisted of teaching from Lee Yau San, Chan Heung and Monk Ching Cho.
See while in your lineage…it looks like this..
Chan Yuen Wu Choy Fook Lee Yau San
I Chan Heung
While Jeong Yim’s lineage looks like this…
Lee Yau San (1st sifu)Chan Heung (second sifu) Monk Ching Cho (3rd sifu)
I Jeong Hung Sing
The founder of that school thinks you are a joke joseph. and you know that.
still, if any of you chan family CLF people have a problem with that then take it to the source and as one well known sifu once told you to have a meeting and discuss this face to face.
That just goes to show it is not about blood lines it is about being open minded and learn as much as you can and from as many source as possible so your Kung Fu can be the best in the end.
I am sure Jeong Yim and Koon Pak would have exchanged some techniques and taught each other how to improve their skills but that doe not mean Jeong Yim taught Koon Pak.
Likewise, if one of Chan Heung descendants wants to learn from Doc Fai, (a famous sifu from America - the land of dreams and success), it does not mean the Chan Family has lost their art. It means that they are thirst to improve and do better, whatever it takes.
And that is what makes us CLF great! (and lasting!)
I am sorry I didn’t mean to make “false claims” I said I remembered and I clearly remembered wrong. So I admit that. I just thought you said you communicated with him and you two were cool…I must have been thinking of someone from Lee Koon Hung side.
Maybe you mentioned that you were going to ask his cousin some questions???
No matter how angry I got with you in the past or how you insulted me and others with threats I never called you rude name. Don’t think that is ever necessary and I always say what I mean. You just don’t ever respond to all them.
WARNING: This History of CHOY LAY FUT was given in brief by Si Gung Kong Hing at his home in Kowloon, March 1998. Added are parts from an interview with Leong Ji (Lun Chee) at the Buck Sing Gwoon Melbourne.
This transcript provides revelations that contradict the history of Choy Lay Fut and it’s founder Chan Heung. These are
What is said forthwith conflicts with the popular history concerning the development of Choy Lay Fut. It is presented as we heard it, and without bias. The Buck Sing Gwoon takes no responsibility whatsoever for it’s implications, if any. For the record, we, The Buck Sing Gwoon, maintain Chan Heung as the founder of Choy Lay Fut.
the last highlighted area released them from liability in regards to that statement.
it doesn’t reveal the true thoughts on the matter what so ever.
what i said was that I have met Master Fu Hang Ng at one of DFW’s tournaments.
He,his students and I actually spent some time talking. It was at that time that Master Fu Hang Ng covered up the Hung Sing in my tattoo and said to me “all i see is CLF” no division.
I am in contact with his students, and i have already asked the question and started the ball rolling.
as you know Fu Hang Ng is a blood relative in the CHan Family.
I think that is extreming the whole thing a bit (as usual) since I never once mentioned Chan Family forms, let alone bagua, I don’t question your points. I don’t take any one side, but I do expect claims to be supported.
I don’t think ANYBODY ever said Chan Heung came up with everything…that is an exaggeration.
We really should strip down on all the bullcrap dispute and stick to core difference each side is trying to peddle.
