Can anyone tell me if there is a good book on
Chi Gerk techniques out there? So far I haven’t really come across one.
Peace.
“Kick his ass, Sea-Bass!” - Dumb and Dumber
where is the chi in chi gerk?
Ive heard of chi gerk i think its a sham…your not going to do it in a real street fight against anyone…and training sensitivity in the legs…hmmmm that sounds like a funny thing to me…
marcelino
Obviously, YOU’RE not going to use it in a street fight, since you don’t have a clue about it.
To be proficient in any martial art, you need to be understand both hands and feet; arms and legs.
Don’t speak for others’ proficiency.
Marcelino31
GM William Cheung (Understanding that no one person has yet been recognized as the succeeding GM of Yip Man Wing Chun) also states that he has the only TRUE Wing Chun.
Remember that just because something does or does not come out of one’s mouth, that does not mean that what is said is truth. It only means that what has come out is an opinion. Those opinions can still be right OR wrong.
One should not dismiss something without having sufficient knowledge and study of that thing.
Kevin
Continued blessings in your life and your training.
The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.
Marcelino showing his understandable but unquestioning loyalties again says:
“Someone once asked Grandmaster Cheung about using chi gerk. He didn’t have much to say about it…And i think he knows way more wing chun then you or anyone else on this forum…”
Regarding #1 statement- that makes it so?
Regarding #2 statement- how so?
Not everyone is in William Cheung’s style and there is no grandmaster for all wing chun folks.
Sorry.
Use..
M:
You dont "use’ chi gerk, just like you dont “use” slt.
chi gerk trains your legs for close combat.
Imagine unleashing the deadly power of your mook jong technique!
gez.
strike!
yen hoi sez: strike.
With the mok jong? 
(108 times) or 116? or more?
mook jong:
I say strike whenever there is a opening.
thousands of applications.
strike!
Chi Gerk
I just watched a tape on chi gerk last night. I don’t know much about it because I’m not at that level but I did see several applications of chi gerk such as intercepting kicks with dok lop ma, defelecting a kick with tan/bong gerk and immediately kicking the body or support leg, and circling the leg around the opponent’s block of your kick to kick the body or support leg. Looked effective to me. Then I watched the drills to build that level of sensivity. Other kicks/applications like lan gerk and jut gerk were covered. Perhaps you could only fully use these techniques on other WC fighters but it’s still a skill I would like to have.
I assume you have Steve Cottrell’s tape? I have that one.
Chi Gerk is something espoused By Leung Ting and his followers.
Its not used in Cheung Style Wing Chun…
“While you are chisaoing with my legs, You’ll by getting punched in the face…”
Cheung no Chi gerk???
That’s funny, my old Cheung-style teacher told me that they do practice Chi-gerk. How do you develop sensitivity in your legs? Seems like chi-gerk is an effective training tool, although so far I just practice the basic movements. Maybe GM Cheung just was reluctant to give away the secrets. That’s like when I went to the A. Fong seminar, and he barely, barely mentioned kicks the entire 5 hours I was there. They don’t always make this kind of information available to the public, it increases its value.
BTW, Grandmaster just means head of your organization. So Chueng is a GM, Leung Ting is a GM, etc.
-FJ
M:
I can attest that ‘GM’ Cheung has a very high level of skill.
Regardless of how high or what path brought him to that level of skill, that doesnt mean every thing that comes out of his mouth is the word of god.
Regarding what you said ‘GM’ Cheung said, that is a very small quote, that is very vague, and you have yet to show any sort of expansion.
Why would training your legs to have the same level of sensitivity as your arms be un-useful?
When you are fighting a skilled opponent, most likely he has trained his legs and feet as weapons as well as his arms, hands, head, etc.
You are correct - unless you come accross a Wing Chunner with the same skills and applications as you, you will never ‘use’ chi gerk.
When I fight I use all my weapons. I also like to limit as many of my opponents weapons and tools as I can - this entails letting the legs deal with the legs and the arms deal with the arms.
Attacking someone, literally below the belt - the legs, is a very effective and effecient way of attacking ones center / stance / structure.
strike!
Cheung Style Wing Chun does not train in developing leg sensitivity with Chi Gerk. Our kicking skills and leg deflections are trained in the forms and in the wooden dummy. In terms of kicking Cheung Style advocates the use of a round kick which is alien to many wing chun styles which don’t use it…many times because a system is lacking in basic fundamentals someone trys to create something new to make it look like they know something when really all they are doing is wasting your time…with bs. As a general rule use your legs to kick and deflect (eg stop kick) anything below the waist and you use your hands above your waist…
Kicking, and deflecting kicks are not the only things you do with your legs.
That is a very limited view of combat that includes legs.
Legs support the rest of your body, they enable you to move and generate power.
Unless you suppose you can end any fight with a 3 move combo, then you will eventually need to use your legs for more then just kicking and deflecting, or you will be killed by someone who is not limited by such narrowness.
strike!
EC
"Whip, for once we agree on one issue "
You’ve already written that 10 times, how can it be “for once”?
first time! the other two times was that I thought you made good points but we never jointly agreed on a single issue per se…
Check it out
Marcelino31, since you live in MI, maybe your sifu is Phillip Redmond? If so, I have no idea where your attitude comes from. Check out the thread “Yip Man taught William Cheung real wing chun??” P Redmond has some good posts, that show humility, which you are lacking.
Quote: “while you are chi saoing [sic - sao means hand] with my legs I am punching you in the face”
While you are chi saoing my hands, I am kicking you in the ballz.
What if you lock up your arms with your opponent. Do you wrestle him? Do you fight force with force? No, you kick immediately. The kick is automatic. -FJ
round kick
According to my Sifu, the round kick is part of Wing Chun, but not part of any of the forms or wooden man. Your statement says:
“Cheung Style Wing Chun does not train in developing leg sensitivity with Chi Gerk. Our kicking skills and leg deflections are trained in the forms and in the wooden dummy. In terms of kicking Cheung Style advocates the use of a round kick which is alien to many wing chun styles which don’t use it”
Is this kick in any of the Cheung sytle forms?
If not, how do you train it? We use thai pads to train this kick, but that may be from my Sifu’s JKD experience.
P.S. There is a visiting Cheung-style instructor from Brasil that is one of W.C’s top students, he is at my Sifu’s friend’s school. I’ve seen tape of him sparring (lightly) a Praying Mantis instructor, and he did throw a couple round kicks - to the head, no less. This does seem like a dangerous kick to me, you could get taken down. I usually keep’m low, but there are always exceptions, for surprise I’ll throw’m high. Anyway, after seeing my sifu easily dominate the Praying Mantis instructor, Brasilian guy’s response: he always wanted to learn JKD. I don’t study JKD myself, I just train with pads, jump rope, etc. Hmm, I just had an idea for a new thread… -FJ
marcelino31
In response to:
"Cheung Style Wing Chun does not train in developing leg sensitivity with Chi Gerk. Our kicking skills and leg deflections are trained in the forms and in the wooden dummy. In terms of kicking Cheung Style advocates the use of a round kick which is alien to many wing chun styles which don’t use it…many times because a system is lacking in basic fundamentals someone trys to create something new to make it look like they know something when really all they are doing is wasting your time…with bs. As a general rule use your legs to kick and deflect (eg stop kick) anything below the waist and you use your hands above your waist… "
Likewise, some students are so blind in the belief of the instruction they receive, they don’t question it’s validity. How do you train leg sensitivity by just forms and wooden dummy? If that were the case, wing chun wouldn’t need chi sao for arm sensitivity. All we need is forms and dummy. Get real. If you want to train contact reflexes and sensitivity, you need a live partner. This is what makes wing chun so unique; you can’t get the true benifit of the style from books, pictures, or videos because the foundation is based totally on “feeling.”
Oh, and as a general rule: hit your enemy without being hit yourself.
why was what I wrote censored? It was all true and a reply to previous posts. I did not personally attack the poster by calling him names but used valid arguments to make my point.
Many also posted similar messages yet why have mine been deleted moderator? Outside of the wing chun board, content is only moderated when needed as in when there is foul language or such, not when posters post their opinions. It seems like lately, any opinion that might be controversial is deleted. That is not free speech. That is a dictatorship! My opinions were not ungrounded considering the content of the original posts. I was merely providing my angle. Just because I happen to disagree shouldn’t mean censorship…