Can TCMA and Christianity mix?

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1257350]If your opponent punches on your right side of your face, you suppose to let him to punch on your left side of your face. If your opponent doesn’t do that, you should punch yourself on the left side of your face, and help him to knock you out.[/QUOTE]

Fighting is a means and not an end.

To achieve your tentative compromise or peace is the end.

We fluctuate between fights and tentative truces all the time.

There are many people that like Ye Fei the general fighting for Southern Song dynasty.

There are not that many people that like Qin Kuai the minister negotiated for a truce among Jin, Liao and Song.

Yin and yang coexist.

War and peace coexist.

Turing your other cheek or exchanging fists coexist.

It is a circle of Tao.

It is

:slight_smile:

We may find conflicts of interests between 2 parties or 2 songs.

We may also find harmony or mutually acceptable compromise/middle ground between 2 parties or 2 songs.

Listen to 2 different tunes of songs. And then listen to the harmony of 2 different songs.

Arts of wars and arts of peace.

That is.

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The only issue that any Christian can have with any for of MA is if that MA advocates worship of any kind of spirit or deity.
Christianity has no specific doctrine of “non-violence” other than a few interpretations of “turn the other cheek”.
The issues of “just war” or “holy war” are man-made.
Theocratic war was done only in YHWH’s name and ONLY be sanction of YHWH via a proven prophet and that time has passed and then some.
Christianity leaves the use or non-use of violence to the individual believer, after all, it is HIM/HER that will answer to God for what they do and why they do it.
As for the rest of this thread and some of the “educated” views on Christianity, all I can say as I have said before is that Google does NOT = knowledge.
I though I had a good understanding of Christian doctrine myself but I was shown have very lacking that was in the first year of Theology class.
Truly, we do NOT know as much as we think we do.
Religious doctrines are never simple and reading MA debating them is like reading about two rabbis arguing about wing chun because they saw IP Man.

this is compatible with TCMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HswNka-jXU8
this is not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ_Ywm7356Y

Team Rock

More pix if you follow the link.

Martial Arts group takes ‘leap of faith’
Last updated: August 12. 2014 9:15PM - 154 Views
By Jason Strickland - jstrickland@civitasmedia.com

The State Fair brings a variety of people and entertainment to the fairgrounds, but one group of entertainers has created a completely different life for themselves.

Team Rock performs martial arts three times a day on the Ditzfeld stage, breaking concrete blocks and flaming wooden boards in a variety of ways.

But their fair shows are only a small part of what they do all year.

“We are also a Christian ministry group so we do a lot of creative outreach for Christianity, which allows us the opportunity to travel all over the place,” said Team Rock member Kyle Palmer.

The 33-year old helped start the team in 2009. He said the United States didn’t have an extreme breaking team, so Team Rock became the country’s official representative in the sport.

“We’ve traveled literally all over the world,” Palmer said. “I’ve almost been to every continent with the team.”

Antarctica and South America are the only continents the team hasn’t traveled to. Palmer said the four-person team rotates members frequently.

“We’re always looking for new team members,” he said. “People that are willing to do this kind of work, willing to travel, willing to give up a lot to do what we do.”

Palmer lives in a camper with his wife and adopted son, while the other members share another camper.

Caleb Richmond, 21, joined the group with Cody Hansel nearly three months ago.

“I sold everything I had and now I’m on Team Rock,” Richmond said. “It was a huge leap of faith. I was going to join the Army, so I already had things lined up to sell and leave but I’ve never traveled all over or anything.”

He added that he was scared at first, but felt like he couldn’t pass up the opportunity.

“This isn’t an ordinary job,” he said. “It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity, so I decided to go with it.”

Alex “Jin” Algar is the fourth member of the team. He mostly does flips while breaking wooden boards. Richmond also does some leaping and flipping tricks, while Hansel and Palmer provide the muscle.

Palmer said he holds multiple martial arts records, including breaking 15 concrete blocks with his forearm.

“It’s actually isn’t a power thing, it’s a speed thing,” he said. “It’s a combination of both.”

The team is on tour most of the year, only taking breaks during Thanksgiving and Christmas.

Richmond said he’s gotten used to traveling and living in a camper and added that he’s enjoying entertaining a variety of audiences.

“I’m still getting used to signing autographs and kids wanting my autograph,” he said. “That’s way over my head.”

If you train martial arts to protect the oppressed, you are keeping in line with the Bible.

If you train to be a bully, to be the oppressor, or to enjoy violence and blood shed you are going against the teaching of the Bible.

Jesus said at the end, cowards have no place in Heaven. Revelation 21:8.

Cowardice is a bigger problem among christians than violence, imo.

Christians who don’t understand martial arts will say that TCMA is evil because they see videos like mysterious chi power, or qigong stuff, and see form drills and assume that it is a spiritual dance for some strange god. Lots of christians wrestle, play lacrosse, football - these were all originally methods of training for battle, so essentially martial arts. TCMA is misrepresented to christians by media and by spiritual guru hacks as being a spiritual practice and not a martial practice.

When you say “TCMA” to a christian with no M.A. Background, this is what they are picturing:

[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1257360]Do you know a protestant movement that doesn’t believe in the father, the son and the holy ghost?[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, yes. Unitarians. Those guys really bug me…

[QUOTE=Pipefighter;1275332]Unfortunately, yes. Unitarians. Those guys really bug me…[/QUOTE]

Not just Unitarians though.
Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphians, Christian sciences, Oneness pentacostals and a few more.

It is important to understand that the Trinity doctrine is a doctrine of Nature and simply states that Father, Son and HS share the same nature.

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1275335]It is important to understand that the Trinity doctrine is a doctrine of Nature and simply states that Father, Son and HS share the same nature.[/QUOTE]

Not to start a religious war, but there is NOTHING “simple” about the Trinity.. it is an elaborate mental gymnastic to resolve fundamental theological problems …

The best thing I have read on it is in fact “How Jesus Became God”
http://www.amazon.com/How-Jesus-Became-God-Exaltation/dp/0061778184

[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1275336]Not to start a religious war, but there is NOTHING “simple” about the Trinity.. it is an elaborate mental gymnastic to resolve fundamental theological problems …

The best thing I have read on it is in fact “How Jesus Became God”
http://www.amazon.com/How-Jesus-Became-God-Exaltation/dp/0061778184[/QUOTE]

Actually, it is quite simple, its people that try to make it what it isn’t that complicate things.
I read Bart’s book, as I read his others.
Bart is not on the ball on this one, he seems to be working from a preconceived view ( the apparition hypothesis) and trying to justify it.
Here is the view of one of the scholars he references in his book:
http://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/how-jesus-became-god-per-ehrman/

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1275337]Actually, it is quite simple, its people that try to make it what it isn’t that complicate things.
I read Bart’s book, as I read his others.
Bart is not on the ball on this one, he seems to be working from a preconceived view ( the apparition hypothesis) and trying to justify it.
Here is the view of one of the scholars he references in his book:
http://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/how-jesus-became-god-per-ehrman/[/QUOTE]

I’m not really talking about the G’d issue or even Jesus on this one, rather the mental and political gymnastics around Nicea and the Trinity concept

[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1275339]I’m not really talking about the G’d issue or even Jesus on this one, rather the mental and political gymnastics around Nicea and the Trinity concept[/QUOTE]

Oh yes, 100% agree.

Sure the Greek Hellenistic culture didn’t help but ****, if they could have made it even more complicated and confusing, I’d like to see how !
LOL !
I think that if there is a doctrine in need of “modern grammatical reform” it probably is the trinity doctrine.

+1

I think there is some serious depth to the concept of “trinity”, which honestly goes beyond understanding. I don’t think it hast ti be tangibly grasped though.

About oneness pentacostals, i thought they were under the umbrella of unitarinaism. My personal experience with jehova’s witnesses, mormons, c. Scientists, is that they view the trinity pretty closely to catholics, whith marginal differences of stipulations.

But here’s one:

How do you “let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father who is in Heaven?” Since we show ourselves most in adverse situations, and our salvation comes not by works, lest any man should boast

The trinity originated with Catholicism. Judaism, Islam, early Christianity and all other Abrahamic traditions, not stemming from the Roman Catholic Church, are monotheistic.
There are plenty of monotheistic branches of Christianity that get lumped into the “protestant” category.

[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1275346]The trinity originated with Catholicism. Judaism, Islam, early Christianity and all other Abrahamic traditions, not stemming from the Roman Catholic Church, are monotheistic.
There are plenty of monotheistic branches of Christianity that get lumped into the “protestant” category.[/QUOTE]

Meh…
Perhaps the word as a doctrine. You’ve got a tremendous amount of imagery all the way back to Abraham and God’s visit to him as 3 men, to visions to Daniel with multi part God head creatures, plus all the comments of Jesus during his time… “I do only the will of the Father”. “It’s better that I go so that the comforter will come, the one who instructs”… “Call no man teacher, for there is only one teacher…no man father because we have one father…” Yeah i’m not getting perfect quotes there. Off the top off my head.

However, i am all for tearing down the lingo that we seem to settle back into. We say things like trinity, salvation, the way, faith, grace, light, all having a specific doctrinal meanings rather than personal knowledge from living out the truth in the scriptures. Thats a slippery slope. Easy to find ourselves in the same situation the devout Teachers of the law were when Jesus showed up on the scene

[QUOTE=Pipefighter;1275350]Meh…
Perhaps the word as a doctrine. You’ve got a tremendous amount of imagery all the way back to Abraham and God’s visit to him as 3 men, to visions to Daniel with multi part God head creatures, plus all the comments of Jesus during his time… “I do only the will of the Father”. “It’s better that I go so that the comforter will come, the one who instructs”… “Call no man teacher, for there is only one teacher…no man father because we have one father…” Yeah i’m not getting perfect quotes there. Off the top off my head.

However, i am all for tearing down the lingo that we seem to settle back into. We say things like trinity, salvation, the way, faith, grace, light, all having a specific doctrinal meanings rather than personal knowledge from living out the truth in the scriptures. Thats a slippery slope. Easy to find ourselves in the same situation the devout Teachers of the law were when Jesus showed up on the scene[/QUOTE]

Not getting into the interpretations of what the scriptures meant, we all know that a 3 different people can read the same thing and come up with 4 different meanings…just saying, Judaism; and by extension the first Christians, were monotheistic. The doctrine of the trinity was later established by the Catholics.

[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1275351]Not getting into the interpretations of what the scriptures meant, we all know that a 3 different people can read the same thing and come up with 4 different meanings…just saying, Judaism; and by extension the first Christians, were monotheistic. The doctrine of the trinity was later established by the Catholics.[/QUOTE]

True, imagery is very subjective. A christian should take the word of the one that has made him a desciple:

John 17:1-5 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he looked upward to heaven and said, Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, so that your Son may glorify you just as you have given him authority over all humanity, so that he may give eternal life to everyone you have given him. Now this is eternal lifethat they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent. I glorified you on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory I had with you before the world was created.

John 14:16-18, 25-26 Then I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, because it does not see him or know him. But you know him, because he resides with you and will be in you. I will not abandon you as orphans, I will come to you.
I have spoken these things while staying with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and will cause you to remember everything I said to you.

Matthew 28:18-19 Then Jesus came up and said to them, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

I’m a monotheist. I believe there is only one God, which is expressed in the Father, the Son, the Spirit. That is expressed in a multiplicitus way that goes much deeper than human philosophy can simply explain or interpret. We only just stumbled onto physics. Why do we think we can dissect the the nature of something eternal. I’ll take the word of Jesus at face value here without trying to make any interpretations, since those ones are cut and dry statements

[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1275351]Not getting into the interpretations of what the scriptures meant, we all know that a 3 different people can read the same thing and come up with 4 different meanings…just saying, Judaism; and by extension the first Christians, were monotheistic. The doctrine of the trinity was later established by the Catholics.[/QUOTE]

True, imagery is very subjective. A christian should take the word of the one that has made him a desciple:

John 17:1-5 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he looked upward to heaven and said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, so that your Son may glorify you— just as you have given him authority over all humanity, so that he may give eternal life to everyone you have given him. Now this is eternal life—that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent. I glorified you on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory I had with you before the world was created.

John 14:16-18, 25-26 Then I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, because it does not see him or know him. But you know him, because he resides with you and will be in you. “I will not abandon you as orphans, I will come to you.
“I have spoken these things while staying with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and will cause you to remember everything I said to you.

Matthew 28:18-19 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1275351]Not getting into the interpretations of what the scriptures meant, we all know that a 3 different people can read the same thing and come up with 4 different meanings…just saying, Judaism; and by extension the first Christians, were monotheistic. The doctrine of the trinity was later established by the Catholics.[/QUOTE]

Trinity IS monotheistic.
The triune formulas were used in the first and second centuries already.
The notion that Christ, the Son of God, was God ( what else could he be if He was the Son of God?) was present in the writings of Paul ( within 30 years of Christ’s death if not sooner), John, Peter and their first generation students.

The Trinity doctrine was formalized and developed to address the Arian controversy and view that Christ was a CREATED being and not “begotten” of God.