[QUOTE=pazman;1257422]Some bushes are worth worshiping.:)[/QUOTE]
At the very least kneeling before:D
[QUOTE=pazman;1257422]Some bushes are worth worshiping.:)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=dlcox;1257425]At the very least kneeling before:D[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the 1970’s 
if the god of your choice doesn’t mention TCMA specifically in his religious doctrine then I figure it’s a matter of interpretation. And interpretations can be wrong. they’re just someone’s opinion. So ask God yourself. You don’t need a go-between or an organization to talk to him. He certainly wouldn’t need one to talk to you.
the responses have been interesting and funny but seriously, you can decide for yourself. There isn’t a pastor or theologian alive who has a better hotline to God than anyone else. Unless you think God is a Chicago alderman. Then you definitely want to know somebody.
[QUOTE=-N-;1257426]Welcome to the 1970’s :p[/QUOTE]
I seem to recall that North American bush survived into the mid 1990’s but currently is on the endangered list
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1257437]I seem to recall that North American bush survived into the mid 1990’s but currently is on the endangered list[/QUOTE]
Alive and well in Canada :eek:
Unless your speaking about the other Bush.
“Wild Beaver Alive and Well In Canada” local reports… and in other news
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1257442]“Wild Beaver Alive and Well In Canada” local reports… and in other news[/QUOTE]
Thanks, just gave my nose a coffee enema. You finally wrote something worthy of being put in the quote of the week thread.
[QUOTE=PalmStriker;1257403]Jesus was very fond of Judoism.[/QUOTE]
I’m pretty sure he would be a Krav Maga guy…
let’s read what the Bible says
Let’s read what the Bible says:
[URL=“http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/9-26.htm”]http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/9-26.htm
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21%3A12-17&version=ESV
[URL=“http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Samuel+22%3A35&version=NIV”]
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26:52&version=NIV
Matthew 10:34
New International Version (NIV)
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
:eek:
35 … for SwordMaster Jesus cometh forth not to build churches or save souls, but to vanquish the Evil PuppetMasters that have corrupted mankind since time immemorial. Bear witness to this event, 'o you of little faith, gongfu practitioners.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1257348]The old testement forbids graven images, yet the church certainly led to the production of many images of Jesus and Mary that were in effect worshiped. This led within Christianity to the debate over “icons” which at times was as violent as any crusade. Should we even mention that the old testement and the religion of Jesus himself taught that there is only ONE G’d.. and in many ways the doctrine of the holy trinity contradicts this.
Or perhaps we should mention that prior to about 350 AD at least half of those who indentified themselves as Christians din’t in fact believe in the trinity and when forced to either conform or be cast out, they left and became Muslims.
Are martial arts in fact “religious”? Currenlty reading Meir Shahar and he argues rather convincingly that fighting was completely divorced from all these elements until the late Ming. He also has an entire chapter devoted to how Daoism, Buddhism and Confucianism melted into eachother seemlessly, leading to the confusion so many westerners have as to what is really what
But I digress[/QUOTE]
The Catholics got rid of that commandment. They got the loophole on the idols and graven images that way. I know, it’s weird, but they did it in the name of…?
Tanakh 10 commandments: (abridged -exodus 20 if you’re interested)
1.You shall not have the gods of others in My presence.
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You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness
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You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain
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Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it.
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Honor your father and your mother
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You shall not murder.
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You shall not commit adultery.
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You shall not steal.
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You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
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You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, his manservant, his maidservant, his ox, his donkey, or whatever belongs to your neighbor."
RC Church 10 Commandments:
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I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me. -
You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain -
Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day -
Honor your father and your mother -
You shall not kill -
You shall not commit adultery -
You shall not steal -
You shall not bear false witness -
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife -
You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods
Discuss?
You shall not kill
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness
You shall not covet…
Those are good rules, the rest is bullshit. But the last one has caveats and exceptions. Once you pass a certain standard of living, wanting more and more makes you a douche, but if you’re starving and your neighbour has feasts every night, then yeah, you’re gonna want some of that.
Some parents don’t deserve to be honoured.
Adultery is complicated. You shouldn’t steal kind of applies there. And yeah, it’s a dick move to cheat on your significant other, married or not, but I don’t put it on the same level as don’t kill people, steal their shit then frame someone else for it…
[QUOTE=Syn7;1257536]You shall not kill
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness
You shall not covet…
Those are good rules, the rest is bullshit. But the last one has caveats and exceptions. Once you pass a certain standard of living, wanting more and more makes you a douche, but if you’re starving and your neighbour has feasts every night, then yeah, you’re gonna want some of that.
Some parents don’t deserve to be honoured.
Adultery is complicated. You shouldn’t steal kind of applies there. And yeah, it’s a dick move to cheat on your significant other, married or not, but I don’t put it on the same level as don’t kill people, steal their shit then frame someone else for it…[/QUOTE]
You could say that none of them are mutually exclusive and by abiding by them you can achieve an amicable social construct. But as humans are humans, you make good points.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1257348]… prior to about 350 AD at least half of those who indentified themselves as Christians din’t in fact believe in the trinity and when forced to either conform or be cast out, they left and became Muslims.[/QUOTE]
The doctrine of the trinity developed over time.
The earliest form of the “church” was a small Jewish community centered in Jerusalem. They practiced Judaism and held to the belief that Yehoshua (Jesus) was the prophesied Anointed One (mashiach/messiah) who would deliver them from Roman oppression.
During the time that the Apostles and their immediate Jewish successors were in control of the movement, the teaching of the trinity was no where to be found (based on their writings).
After non-Jews (Gentiles) were allowed to become a part of the movement, the “church” quickly grew to the point where non-Jews became the controlling force in the movement.
Once the Gentiles had numerical control of the “church”, the number of Jewish believers began to fade. In time, the Gentile believers disfellowshipped Jewish believers that did not forsake their Jewish religious practices. It was during this time that much of what modern Christians today believe was debated and formalized.
No historical evidence tells us what actually became of the disfellowshipped Jewish believers. Some may have renounced their belief in the messiah and returned to rabbinic controlled Judaism. Some may have taken their beliefs to the grave. I know of no historical evidence that they converted to Islam.
Mohammed was born in 570 A.D./C.E. which is hundreds of years after the events described above. The Quran was not codified until after the death of Mohammed in 632 C.E. Though some Muslims say Islam began in 610 C.E. when Mohammed received his first vision from the Archangel Gabriel.
So, the idea that Jewish believers converted to Islam is highly unlikely, since their movement had died out a couple hundred years before.
Regarding what not to do, ‘You shall not murder’ is more appropriate than ‘You shall not kill’. Because there are circumstances when taking a life may be justified, but murder can never be justified.
If you’re not a Buddhist, Taoist, or non-religious spirit you should not practice Kungfu or eat Chinese food, leaves more for me. :):D:) Especially eggrolls and plum sauce. https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+egg+rolls+and+plum+sauce&client=firefox-a&hs=pOI&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=3JyJUvysO8eo4APgx4DgAw&ved=0CHMQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=807
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So, the idea that Jewish believers converted to Islam is highly unlikely, since their movement had died out a couple hundred years before.[/QUOTE]
There were Jews who lived amongst the Muslim tribes but as time progressed the latter became very antagonistic towards the other 2 religions. Christians were a strong part of the Middle East but intolerance drove down the numbers over time.
Many times, the Jews acted as intermediaries between Muslims and Christians.
My time frame is 711-1492:p
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1257566]Regarding what not to do, ‘You shall not murder’ is more appropriate than ‘You shall not kill’. Because there are circumstances when taking a life may be justified, but murder can never be justified.[/QUOTE]
This supposes that we all don’t follow the rules as given.
To that end, yep, it takes one person to screw it up for millions.
As for Christianity, for the most part, Christians can’t get along among themselves, subscribe to different things and go out of focus all over the place about what’s important. Judging by all the people in prison and the level of homelessness and wanton greed and lust for power that is exercised I’d say there aren’t many Christians in North America anyway.