why do judo newaza, bjj, sombo, and wrestling all look pretty similar?
1.)To the untrained eye it all looks like wrestling…
2.) judo was the father of bjj and sambo. and all 3 are jacketed wrestling..
3.) Judo & sambo were influenced by wrestling and continues to do so. “Wrestling” is found in just about every culture on the planet from Mongolians to Africans.
It IS kinda the most elementary way of fighting, & natural. When small children fight, they always wrestle.
Just an observation.
Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
[B]I’m still waiting to hear how power striking works when you’re on your back.
Is it just me, or are almost all tough questions completely ignored on this forum lately?
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Not all techniques reqiure major power behind them.A Phoenix Eye strike to the sternum will make anyone move without having full power available.The problem is ppl think techniques are limited while on your back.That means you don’t understand your techniques.Also if you know how to bring out your power you don’t need space.Thus the famous Bruce Lee 1" punch.
But if you’re asking these questions you don’t understand that or don’t choose to understand that? Which means if it’s the latter i’m wasting my time trying to explain it.
jeff:)
Originally posted by Merryprankster
[B]ST00,
jmd101 is a true believer. Futile. In fact, he made my ignore list quite some time ago.
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I’m so sorry to lose such a great friend of so many yrs!
What can i do to right this"Great Wrong" my dear friend? :rolleyes:
Whether i’m a true believer or not the same can be said for 99% of those who grapple.You guys watch UFC/PRIDE/NHB like it’s law of the land.Ok kung fu has’nt done well in those tournaments fine! That somehow means that you can kick any kung fu persons arse all of the sudden in a fight or tournament.who’s the “True believer”?
Grapplers always talk how once they get you in a hold it’s over.And that you’re gonna take a striker down,but for some reason our stuff does’nt work against ya’ll.We can’t stay on our feet or strike from the ground.
Ok i’m the true believer!:rolleyes:
jeff:)
Re: <sigh>
Originally posted by mysteri
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shuai chiao teaches u things like throwin someone on their head hard the moment they touch u. is this allowed in pride, UFC, or any other sanctioned event for that matter? [/B]
Yes. It is also allowed in wrestling, judo, sambo, and BJJ.
Re: <sigh>
Originally posted by mysteri
btw- BJJ may teach me how to subdue joe blow. but what about when his brothers james and jack jump in to help him? if u can show me ANY material where it documents how to handle mutliple opponents, then maybe we’ll talk… jus my thoughts(this should get fun
Kung fu may teach how to mix it up and throw some strikes and kicks at joe blow, but what about when his brothers james and jack join him and they swarm you and take you to the ground? if u can show me ANY material where it documents how to handle mutliple opponents with one guy working the control postion and another guy or two going for leg breaks, arm breaks and/or chokes, then maybe we’ll talk… jus my thoughts(this should get fun
ST and TW:
1.)To the untrained eye it all looks like wrestling…
2.) judo was the father of bjj and sambo. and all 3 are jacketed wrestling..
3.) Judo & sambo were influenced by wrestling and continues to do so. “Wrestling” is found in just about every culture on the planet from Mongolians to Africans.
So, the reason grappling all looks the same ‘to the untrained eye’ is that the fundamental principles and techniques are shared, yes? Now, what might this say about effective striking arts, ie: the fallacy that sanshou is just kickboxing and wrestling? (A fallacy that also ignores the importance of the sidekick in sanshou and its absence in muay thai.)
JMD:
Not all techniques reqiure major power behind them.A Phoenix Eye strike to the sternum will make anyone move without having full power available.The problem is ppl think techniques are limited while on your back.That means you don’t understand your techniques.Also if you know how to bring out your power you don’t need space.Thus the famous Bruce Lee 1" punch.
I know, and this is accomplished by strong rooting and good body mechanics. You ignored the tough part of my question (I should be getting used to this by now) which was how do you root and get those standing mechanics on the ground? Remember, Bruce Lee’s 1" punch was done standing up and not while being pounded and sat on.
Jeepers, people. Try to focus on making sense and finding the truth rather than winning the arguement. It makes this a LOT less pointless.
1998 called. It wants it’s thread back.
LOL! AMEN!!What collosal waste of bandwidth. ROFL!!
Now, what might this say about effective striking arts, ie: the fallacy that sanshou is just kickboxing and wrestling? (A fallacy that also ignores the importance of the sidekick in sanshou and its absence in muay thai.)
You have thrust kicked the correct in the knee and are now walking away with his girlfriend..
I intend to send a kung fu student into the cagefighting arena at some point.
Obviously he’ll have to have some knowledge of BJJ tactics in the octagon. After all, that’s what everybody uses.
That said, we’ve dealt with BJJ in our class on several occasions. It has its merits, but it has its weaknesses too. The same could be true of any style.
Our student will probably use a mix of kung fu methods, but his primary weapon will be the “Monk Fist” style. The hardest thing about training him will be deconditioning him away from using the illegal moves that the no-holds-barred rules prevent.
I think BJJ has been great for kung fu in that it has forced us to reexamine our training methods in a modern setting.
But if you look at old manuals like the Bubishi, you’ll see that the concept of grappling and groundfighting have been around long before Maeda and Carlos Gracie even were born.
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Originally posted by jmd161
That is something ppl are saying and it’s not true.I can strike effectively on the ground on my back in a mounted position.It might not have the power of a strike standing,but a knuckle strike to the sternum does’nt need that much power to have an effect.
Jeff- I’ll tell you what. If you want to put some money up, I’ll bet you that I can mount you and give you a couple of sternum shots as hard as you want. If you can even come close to hurting me you win whatever amount we bet, plus any transportation and lodging costs while you are here.
All this reminds me - one of my co-workers in my new temp job (looks like it may last a while, thankfully) is a pretty new student at Bill Vandry’s BJJ studio. We had a good talk yesterday about TJQ and BJJ and perhaps we’ll have a chance to demo a few techs for each other sometime soon. I’ve certainly been interested in checking it out first hand for some time, and have mostly been prevented by my own seriously sh!tty finances. In any case, it could be the start of some interesting experience for me. I’ve always thought it looked like a lot of fun (and similar in many respects to TJQ.)
Originally posted by Water Dragon
1998 called. It wants it’s thread back.
1998? Don’t you mean 1993…
“If you can even come close to hurting me you win whatever amount we bet, plus any transportation and lodging costs while you are here.”
Does that include bar and taxi fees?
I think you will find some similarities there
Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
All this reminds me - one of my co-workers in my new temp job (looks like it may last a while, thankfully) is a pretty new student at Bill Vandry’s BJJ studio. We had a good talk yesterday about TJQ and BJJ and perhaps we’ll have a chance to demo a few techs for each other sometime soon. I’ve certainly been interested in checking it out first hand for some time, and have mostly been prevented by my own seriously sh!tty finances. In any case, it could be the start of some interesting experience for me. I’ve always thought it looked like a lot of fun (and similar in many respects to TJQ.)
I’ve heard awesome things about Vandry.
To comment on what JMD said about striking from his back, I’ve heard a term tossed around with internal guys that say the same thing - it’s called short power. I don’t know much about it, but apparently it allows you to have forceful strikes from short distances, even on the ground.
Originally posted by truewrestler
1998? Don’t you mean 1993…
No. 1993 was the year of non-contact Chi knockouts.
Originally posted by SevenStar
To comment on what JMD said about striking from his back, I’ve heard a term tossed around with internal guys that say the same thing - it’s called short power. I don’t know much about it, but apparently it allows you to have forceful strikes from short distances, even on the ground.
Until I see it —> :rolleyes: