[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;992623]LOL!! What’s the difference![/QUOTE]
Yo Mama?
at the same time you had guys like lebell or nishioka who said he was good:D
Lets just say he was a nice boy, who made a few bad mistakes…
In Jess O’Brien’s book Nei Jia Quan, pgs 323-325, James Wing Woo (Yang Tai Chi) discusses his experiences with Bruce Lee.
[QUOTE=Eddie;992540]hehe no worries.
i often have people trying to tell me about how good BL was and yadayadayada. When I ask them about some (real) kung fu heros, they have no clue.
Very funny thing. Almost ALL of the little kung fu schools (in the park area or under the bridge - never in a building), teaches the ‘nunchaku’ or what they call two section staff. And almost all of them have the SAME moves in - typical BL movie stuff. Thats all cool, Im happy for them, but its still funny.
In HK I met an old Sifu who knew BL well. This guy is well respected by the sifus I know in HK, so I trust that its actually true.[/QUOTE]
Wow, why didn’t I notice this thread before?
The Chinese perspective on Bruce Lee is pretty interesting, and since moving here I’ve discovered that bringing up Lee in conversation tends to bring out a fiercely nationalistic sentiment among some of my students, almost on par with the Taiwan or Tibet issues.
According to my students:
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Bruce Lee was a master at the shuangjiegun (num-chucks):rolleyes:
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The shuangjiegun is a traditional Chinese weapon, found in many gongfu styles.:rolleyes:
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Bruce Lee developed his own traditional martial art, of which there are several masters of it in China :rolleyes: This is often accompanied by the question “Did any Americans ever come to China to train with him?”
Things that I can say that may bring them to tears:
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Lee was an American citizen.
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Lee was trained in boxing and fencing before taking up wing chun (BL nuthuggers, feel free to correct me).
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The numchuck sequences that are practiced here certainly do not come from traditional gongfu.
The biggest thing I like about Bruce Lee was how he looked at all the fighting systems and said “Hey guys, let’s analyze what we’ve been doing for the last few centuries and see if we can’t find ways to improve and optimize it…”
And I thought he was a fine actor as well.
[QUOTE=Drake;993165]The biggest thing I like about Bruce Lee was how he looked at all the fighting systems [/QUOTE]
what systems.
he only learned yip man wing chun and old people tai chi
then critisize the entire kung fu world. he only lived on a mole on the ass of china.
he was a rich upperclass mixed blood eurasian. in hong kong. a foreigner
movie stars never helped kung fu. they fuked it all up. just look at kung fu today.
[QUOTE=bawang;993199]what systems.
he only learned yip man wing chun and old people tai chi
then critisize the entire kung fu world. he only lived on a mole on the ass of china.
he was a rich upperclass mixed blood eurasian. in hong kong. a foreigner
movie stars never helped kung fu. they fuked it all up. just look at kung fu today.[/QUOTE]
yeah bawang, blame it all on the Shaw Bros.!
You are just jealous because you can’t do a forward moving back flip and kick the guy sneaking up behind you, or fall off of trees, balconies, and clocks onto your head and walk away from it fine!
It only proves you have no kung fu!
[QUOTE=bawang;993199]what systems.
he only learned yip man wing chun and old people tai chi
then critisize the entire kung fu world. he only lived on a mole on the ass of china.
he was a rich upperclass mixed blood eurasian. in hong kong. a foreigner
movie stars never helped kung fu. they fuked it all up. just look at kung fu today.[/QUOTE]
Just admit he took all the monehs…
What I can’t understand is why so many so-called traditionalists worship him so much:confused: It seems like he slandered every martial art there is except for western boxing. He had some rather silly ideas too. He said that the northern styles of Chinese kung fu have no power and that Muay Thai was flawed because their fighters wear gloves:confused:
Oh ya, and Wing Chun is “insufficient” because you can’t use it to finish off someone who’s running away from you, that’s a good one:rolleyes:.
Sorry, but the more I’ve learned about Bruce Lee the more I’ve found myself thinking he was sort of a punk. At least in his earlier years after he had just come from Hong Kong where he was in “The Tigers of Junction Street” gang. I’ve known guys in martial arts like him. They always want to put on an air like they’re the baddest dude on the planet. Oh, but just be sure not to show them up or make them lose in front of everyone. Not that you’d get a chance anyway since they don’t spar and if they did they’d end up getting so p!ssed off during the match that they’d throw all the rules out the window.
[QUOTE=Siu Lum Fighter;993238]d He had some rather silly ideas too. He said that the northern styles of Chinese kung fu have no power and that Muay Thai was flawed because their fighters wear gloves:confused: Oh ya, and Wing Chun is “insufficient” because you can’t use it to finish off someone who’s running away from you, that’s a good one:rolleyes:.[/QUOTE]
can you quote him saying any of this? theres alot of nonsense out there about what he supposedly said or did, most of its heard from somebody who knew somebody who knew this guy that new this other guy that posted this thing on a forum in 1999
Like many westernes become enamoured with TCMA, many Chinese became enamoured with Western fighting.
Bruce was one of them.
He slagged off TCMA because Yip Man told him to go fu*k himself when he went back for proper training, and his ego told him, he could do better.
from what ive heard yip man was pressured by his other students to stop teaching bruce because he wasnt full chinese and because these other students were pretty much providing him with money to live off of he didnt have much of a choice but he had william cheung and wsl train him since he couldnt do it himself
i dont know how this is telling him to **** off according to wsl yip man was quite fond of bruce from the first time he met him
bruce made many good points about kung fu especially when he stated there are more frauds in it than any other martial art:D
bruce lee is the biggest fraud in the universe
i cant take u seriously when u call kung fu “primitive chinese caveman fighting” but like wingchun and karate
[QUOTE=bawang;993262]bruce lee is the biggest fraud in the universe
i cant take u seriously when u call kung fu “primitive chinese caveman fighting” but like wingchun and karate[/QUOTE]
um what?
im saying bruce lee can suck my balls
my balls r very dry
[QUOTE=goju;993252]from what ive heard yip man was pressured by his other students to stop teaching bruce because he wasnt full chinese and because these other students were pretty much providing him with money to live off of he didnt have much of a choice but he had william cheung and wsl train him since he couldnt do it himself
i dont know how this is telling him to **** off according to wsl yip man was quite fond of bruce from the first time he met him
bruce made many good points about kung fu especially when he stated there are more frauds in it than any other martial art:D[/QUOTE]
nope bruce got dropped because of his ego and the fact he wanted to cut corners in his training, yip man had more than enough students he did not have to listen to those that trained under him, he could get more students at a drop of the hat
how good he was or was not is pointless, he made some good movies, trained hard and got alot of people interested in the TCMAs
can you quote him saying any of this?
It’s all right there in Tao of Jeet Kune Do as well as other books.
Also, it’s my theory that a lot of the pressure on Yip Man was due to Bruce always being an @sshole to his older classmates. He always tried to show them up when they did chi sao and trained together. Instead of a instructor/student type relationship he was always trying to beat them up and show everyone that he was the best among all of Yip Man’s students. They complained about him because he was such a disrespectful young hothead. If you don’t believe me, just read William Cheung’s take on the matter: http://www.cheungswingchun.com/g/10410/bruce-lee-william-cheung---the-early-years.html
[QUOTE=Frost;993269]nope bruce got dropped because of his ego and the fact he wanted to cut corners in his training, yip man had more than enough students he did not have to listen to those that trained under him, he could get more students at a drop of the hat
how good he was or was not is pointless, he made some good movies, trained hard and got alot of people interested in the TCMAs[/QUOTE]
yet according to what ive read from cheung yip told him and wsl to instruct bruce
if bruce was being a **** why would yip have done this?
i agree with your last sentence though the mans dead no one of us will ever know how good he was so its pointless
[QUOTE=goju;993272]
if bruce was being a **** why would yip have done this?
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because hes a crazy greedy opium addict