[QUOTE=Lokhopkuen;992612]I really liked him until i developed some skill. Anyone ever notice he did not know how to work a staff? Later I got a chance to speak to many people who had known him. Aside from praise his skills not one person had a good thing to say about him, well except that he could Cha Cha likka mutherfvcker:D[/QUOTE]
That’s gotta count for something !
[QUOTE=Lokhopkuen;992604]The man was a short, big mouth, womanizing, ego maniac with a little man complex.
What an a$$hole LOL!
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Not much different than most men I would say!
[QUOTE=Lokhopkuen;992612]I really liked him until i developed some skill. Anyone ever notice he did not know how to work a staff? Later I got a chance to speak to many people who had known him. Aside from praise his skills not one person had a good thing to say about him, well except that he could Cha Cha likka mutherfvcker:D[/QUOTE]
I think that anyone who has invested time and effort to the point where they have fully learned a martial art will come to realize how mediocre Bruce actually was as a martial artist.
He’s huge as an inspiration to many, and to the millions and millions who have never crossed hands with anyone, he is stellar in his ability.
To anyone who has put in the hard work of actually learning a style, well, he still has merit, but you come to realize a lot of thing as you grow into power. 
an excellent observation.
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;992616]Not much different than most men I would say![/QUOTE]
I’m no A$$hole I just lack diplomacy:D
One thing we need to remember guys, Bruce was NOT a fully realized Ma when he died, he had been doing MA for what 10 years, maybe 15?
Let us be honest here and remember how much we sucked at the mark !
LOL !
[QUOTE=Lokhopkuen;992619]I’m no A$$hole I just lack diplomacy:D[/QUOTE]
LOL!! What’s the difference!
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;992621]One thing we need to remember guys, Bruce was NOT a fully realized Ma when he died, he had been doing MA for what 10 years, maybe 15?
Let us be honest here and remember how much we sucked at the mark !
LOL ![/QUOTE]
A couple of other things:
-Most top martial artists from back then were not that good compared to today’s athletes.
-There is a difference between movie fighting and real fighting!
His true skills cannot be measured against his movie performance.
-His interview demonstrations were not that impressive either.
I’ve said it before, and faced the consequences! Bruce Lee was not the god people want to make him out to be. Extremely low level of martial arts in this country, lack of education and Lee’s talent for wrapping himself in Asian mysticism account for his inspiring many. add to that the fact he was a movie guy who died young and you have the makings of a cult
The fans are rapid, and no amount of fact or reason will change that. I got hate mail for months for pointing out that when Bruce Lee died, Dan Inosanto was a PE teacher, and probably would have stayed that way if the Lee movies had not happened. That isn’t saying he doesn’t have skills, but tons of people with skills never got famous and made money. Inosanto benefitted greatly from the Bruce Lee cult, to argue otherwise is absurd.
I would say that Dan probably became a better MA than Bruce would have been capable of being.
Bruce seemed a bit to wrapped up in himself and Dan is far more open and just LOVES MA, period.
Dan has no ego (ie learned BJJ from white belt), Bruce was ALL EGO. Dan also still makes his living DOING MARTIAL ARTS. People seem to forget that Bruce wanted to be a movie star, he didn’t want to teach the masses his new martial art. Martial art was a tool for Lee to be a movie star.
i dont mind the fact bruce was an ego maniac in fact most “masters” are anyway so i dont see the big deal:D
i think the man had legit skills but i think the people who put him into god like status are idiots but i think the same of the people who bash him 
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;992529]Well…in MY face…[/QUOTE]
i dont get it, i wasnt trying to slam or anything.
but your mention about the devils deal is pretty spot on. funny correlation there.
[QUOTE=goju;992639]i dont mind the fact bruce was an ego maniac in fact most “masters” are anyway so i dont see the big deal:D
i think the man had legit skills but i think the people who put him into god like status are idiots but i think the same of the people who bash him :p[/QUOTE]
so you’re a centrist on what you believe about Bruce Lee? lol
I don’t think much of centrists regarding Bruce Lee, they’re idiots for the most part.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;992659]so you’re a centrist on what you believe about Bruce Lee? lol
I don’t think much of centrists regarding Bruce Lee, they’re idiots for the most part.
:D[/QUOTE]
lol
well it applies here bruce wasnt the greatest thing since slice bread nor was he a fraud:D
and of course with many now gone martial artists you have the **** talkers coming out of the wood work only AFTER the man was dead
there should have been plenty of them while he was alive but it seemed like everybody piped down for some reason
[QUOTE=goju;992663]lol
well it applies here bruce wasnt the greatest thing since slice bread nor was he a fraud:D
and of course with many now gone martial artists you have the **** talkers coming out of the wood work only AFTER the man was dead
there should have been plenty of them while he was alive but it seemed like everybody piped down for some reason :D[/QUOTE]
Yes, well all those after death talkers have also consistently elevated Bruce to ridiculous levels. In fact, some tribal idiots in the outbacks of SE Asia have deified the guy!
I’m sure Bruce would’ve loved it. lol
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;992675]Yes, well all those after death talkers have also consistently elevated Bruce to ridiculous levels. In fact, some tribal idiots in the outbacks of SE Asia have deified the guy!
I’m sure Bruce would’ve loved it. lol[/QUOTE]
lol
funny thing is bob bremmer( i believe thats his name) mentioned when he was asking bruce about his speed bruce noted he had met other martial artists who are much faster them him
Gasp!
bruce was arrogant but he didnt have his end up his nether orifice either:D
hey i wish i had a golden statue in moscow…
I like some of his films (the 2nd and esp. the 3rd one a lot). I think he had some innovative ideas for the time. And I think he had tremendous natural athletic abilities. IMO he probably used his natural athleticism to make up for a lack of depth in skills. There are lots of athletes who get away with raw physical talent to cover up holes in their overall skills.
When some people say he was the greatest MAist who ever lived, that’s just ridiculous. One of BL’s early students, who I won’t name, made a statement to the effect of: “Bruce Lee was the best fighter on the planet. I know, because where I grew up, I could fight anybody, but he toyed with me like a child.” So by association, this person was saying that it would have taken the best fighter on the planet to have beaten him.
I also wouldn’t take the word of the Hollywood people of the time who over-exaggerated his abilities. Sure, BL knocked Roman Polanski head over heels during a private lesson. How hard could that have been?
I also don’t believe BL beat the challenger (Wong Jack Man) as easily as his wife says. Maybe he didn’t defeat him at all. After that fight, he supposedly changed his entire lifestyle and belief system about the MA and physical conditioning, which became an obsession. Beating on someone who was supposedly running away and begging for a couple minutes would not cause someone to question his entire belief system to that point.
All that said, I believe he accomplished a lot in his life. 32 is pretty **** young. Had he lived, I doubt he would have become a legend. His popularity would have eventually waned, like all trends do. He most likely would have matured a lot more. Some who knew him said how down-to-earth he was; others considered him to be just an arrogant a-hole. My guess is, he was somewhere in-between, like a lot of people. So many guys are a-holes on the planet, how was BL much different, other than becoming famous? IMO he was definitely charismatic, and he had some very real skills, just not as good skills as the BL cult have made him out to be.
[QUOTE=goju;992679]lol
funny thing is bob bremmer( i believe thats his name) mentioned when he was asking bruce about his speed bruce noted he had met other martial artists who are much faster them him
Gasp!
bruce was arrogant but he didnt have his end up his nether orifice either:D
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I believe BL mentioned Steve Sanders (now Steve Mumammad) (sp?) as being the man with the fastest hands he’d ever seen.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;992692]
I also wouldn’t take the word of the Hollywood people of the time who over-exaggerated his abilities. [/QUOTE]
I wouldn’t take the word of any Hollywood people now! lol
That town is a lie built on a foundation of lies and their principle product is sweet sweet lies. lol
They (people of hollywood, particularly film industry types) have zero credibility when it comes to reality. Even Hollywood’s version of reality ISN’T reality!
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;992699]I wouldn’t take the word of any Hollywood people now! lol
That town is a lie built on a foundation of lies and their principle product is sweet sweet lies. lol
They (people of hollywood, particularly film industry types) have zero credibility when it comes to reality. Even Hollywood’s version of reality ISN’T reality! :D[/QUOTE]
Well said!