im just curious about his fighting record. did he ever beat anyone noteworthy? i really dont wanna start another MMA vs. CMA debate but im just curious as to whether he ever fought any wrestlers or grapplers or anyone in that field. im sure if he was around today he would have faired well in the climate of the fighting competition out there today?
I read somewhere that he beat a guy up on th set of enter the dragon. The guy had been giving him grief for a while and challenged him. Apparently he made short work of the guy. I don’t know if this is actually true of a good piece of marketing.
As far as I am aware he never entered competitions. Wing Chun guys say his muscle conditioning was more for the camera than for martial arts. He also looks very thin on camera.
I would imagine he was super fast but not too strong. This is all hyperthetical though as he was long dead before I was even born.
I don’t think he would have stood a chance in a MMA comp because of his size and weight. Maybe he would in his own weight/size devisions.
I thought perhaps chuck norris trained with him after seeing him fight?
This part of his life I think is kept quite secret to preserve the legend.
Bruce Lee was obviously the best martial artist of all time. He beat up all those guys on the screen, so he must be good.
In addition, he studied like 30 styles to make up JKD, and he studied all of then in their depth and entirety. It took him like 50 or more years to do that, before deciding traditional styles were crap, and creating JKD.
He died so young in his early 30s. Such a tragedy for an obviously so great martial artist.
I had a face-to-face conversation with Dan Inosanto back in 1979 when he visited the wing chun school I was a student at here in NYC…(Moy Yat).
He said that behind closed doors Bruce had sparred with guys like Joe Lewis, Mike Stone, Chuck Norris, Louis Del Gado, and some others.
He said that the “match” with Chuck Norris was particularly notable - and “embarrassing to watch” (Dan’s exact words).
He said that Bruce punched and kicked Chuck all around the room.
Greetings,
It was said in another thread that he got owned by a guy who wears a pink gi. LeBell…yeah…yeah, yeah…that’s his name.
mickey
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In addition, he studied like 30 styles to make up JKD, and he studied all of then in their depth and entirety. It took him like 50 or more years to do that, before deciding traditional styles were crap, and creating JKD.
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You know that he didn’t even want it to be a new style, right?
[QUOTE=NJM;737640]You know that he didn’t even want it to be a new style, right?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he wrote a book about how styles sucked and then filled the book about how he fought and what worked. Creating his own style.
LOL LOL LOL
Bottom line he was an actor numbskull. If he hadn’t have died he’d be in late 60s now and everybody would be laughing at how his students don’t win MMA tournaments.
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Bottom line he was an actor numbskull. If he hadn’t have died he’d be in late 60s now and everybody would be laughing at how his students don’t win MMA tournaments.[/QUOTE]
That’s classic.
Best,
Kenton Sefcik
[QUOTE=lunghushan;737645]Yeah, he wrote a book about how styles sucked and then filled the book about how he fought and what worked. Creating his own style.
LOL LOL LOL
Bottom line he was an actor numbskull. If he hadn’t have died he’d be in late 60s now and everybody would be laughing at how his students don’t win MMA tournaments.[/QUOTE]
Lol, I love it when Instructors brainwash their students to hate certain people and think them fakes.
[QUOTE=NJM;737716]Lol, I love it when Instructors brainwash their students to hate certain people and think them fakes.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it’s even better when people think because somebody acts on a screen that they really are that character in real life.
I mean, you’ve probably had some martial arts training by now, right? Have you ever seen anybody in MA hopping up and down on their toes and doing stuff like Bruce Lee did? Yelling ‘hee-iii’ and making lots of weird noises?
Probably not, right? They make noise in karate class, but that’s about it, and nothing like Bruce Lee did.
Does anybody really know he was that good? Did he run around winning tournaments like Chuck Norris? The whole thing with Wong Jack Man in the movie Dragon was a load of B.S. There was no bunch of people saying he shouldn’t teach, no challenge, no broken back, no re-challenge. There was one closed door fight and nobody from either side agrees what happened because it was closed, not in a big tournament setting.
Bruce Lee supposedly hurt his back in TRAINING … LIFTING WEIGHTS.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106770/goofs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tao_of_Jeet_Kune_Do
Wong Jack Man issued a public challenge when Bruce claimed he won, for a public setting, but the public fight never happened. Linda Lee evidently has a great imagination.
BTW, look at his filmography for a moment. He was in movies literally since he was a baby.
bruce’s record
bruce won chinese boxing tournaments when he was still living in china. after he moved to the US he stopped entering in tournaments. whatever his record was at the time it was good enough to open respectable schools, three of his students would go on to win the world karate titles while he was alive. chuck norris, joe lewis and some other guy. as for being unbeatable we have all had our time of losing. bruce learned martial arts to stop getting beat up. we all have been there. those of you that think your so great can look at your own past.
yes bruce was a movie star but when you have so many student that go on to achieve such success that ends up reflecting back on the teacher. bruce sparred with the best in the world at the time he was teaching and did so twice a week on a regular schedule. if that wouldn’t make you one of the best in the world i don’t know what would.
as for wrestlers, we know he studied the art since it was added to JKD and demonstrated in his movies. as for being on record i’m sure it’s not listed. i have most of his books and there is nothing in there. 
[QUOTE=lonewolf;737727]bruce won chinese boxing tournaments when he was still living in china. after he moved to the US he stopped entering in tournaments. whatever his record was at the time it was good enough to open respectable schools, three of his students would go on to win the world karate titles while he was alive. chuck norris, joe lewis and some other guy. as for being unbeatable we have all had our time of losing. bruce learned martial arts to stop getting beat up. we all have been there. those of you that think your so great can look at your own past.
yes bruce was a movie star but when you have so many student that go on to achieve such success that ends up reflecting back on the teacher. bruce sparred with the best in the world at the time he was teaching and did so twice a week on a regular schedule. if that wouldn’t make you one of the best in the world i don’t know what would.
as for wrestlers, we know he studied the art since it was added to JKD and demonstrated in his movies. as for being on record i’m sure it’s not listed. i have most of his books and there is nothing in there. :([/QUOTE]
It’s kindof weird that such revisionist history would make people think it’s true. For one thing, Chuck Norris was winning tournaments before he even met Bruce Lee.
Bruce Lee was a DANCE Champion in China, not a martial arts champion.
BTW, Chuck Norris brought BJJ to the U.S., so if anybody was instrumental in creating ‘MMA’, it was Chuck Norris.
But bottom line I think it’s obvious that there’s no way to have an intelligent discussion about such a heated topic.
Is lunghushan really Aeturnal?
bruce lee was a dance champion and not a ma champ where did you learn your history saying bruce was not a ma champ all the thing you have sayed are pretty much ignorant ..even chuck said he was one of the best .bruce trained since he was a little boy .he didnt start training because he was geting beat up ..people need to do more research before talking about a subject they think they know about .iam not mad on the topic i just dont think people do enough research and find the truth on things
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BTW, Chuck Norris brought BJJ to the U.S., so if anybody was instrumental in creating ‘MMA’, it was Chuck Norris.[/QUOTE]
Well, sort of. He invited some BJJ guys over to give a seminar:
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I DID research. He won the colonies Cha Cha championship at the age of 18 in 1958.
I don’t think you’ve researched. If you can find any evidence of him entering any tournaments and winning or anything, please let me know.
i know he was a dancer but he was trianing in kung.fu first.and back then a lot of tournaments were not recorded like they are now .i have read and looked up every thing you could on bruce lee and his life .among other popular and historical teachers its a hobby of mine
[QUOTE=lunghushan;737726]The whole thing with Wong Jack Man in the movie Dragon was a load of B.S. There was no bunch of people saying he shouldn’t teach, [/QUOTE]
I have it on good authority that there was but I’ll leave it to you to find out who.
[QUOTE=lonewolf;737727]whatever his record was at the time it was good enough to open respectable schools, three of his students would go on to win the world karate titles while he was alive. chuck norris, joe lewis and some other guy.[/QUOTE]
I believe Chuck was a BB in Tang Soo Do and Joe was a BB in Shotokan(?) neither of which are Kung fu. Chuck was already a full contact champ which is why they selected him for Enter The Dragon.
[QUOTE=lunghushan;737730]Bruce Lee was a DANCE Champion in China, not a martial arts champion.[/QUOTE]
So it’s impossible to be both? Sure he was into dance and won but he was also into martial arts and won. Just because you can do it doesn’t mean someone else can’t.
And von Damme was a tournament “champion”–in Brussells, was it?–too…according to his Hollywood resume (before people started looking into it a little more closely).
[QUOTE=lunghushan;737726]Yeah, it’s even better when people think because somebody acts on a screen that they really are that character in real life.
I mean, you’ve probably had some martial arts training by now, right? Have you ever seen anybody in MA hopping up and down on their toes and doing stuff like Bruce Lee did? Yelling ‘hee-iii’ and making lots of weird noises?
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Wow, contradiction rly? Like you said, he didn’t act like that IRL.
And I’ve read several legit bibliographies on Bruce Lee. Idiots still think that he was killed by an asprin and that he never learned Wing Chun or part of the Northern Styles. Don’t listen to all the rumors you hear on the intarwebs, do some reading of actual literature. There are biographies about Bruce Lee written by Wing Chun instructors, why don’t you read those? Surely they aren’t going to let some poser get away with what you think he did, right?
It cracks me up how all MMA/BJJ artists hate Bruce Lee so much. Not saying you’re one, Lung, just an observation of everyone else who bashes him.
I neither idolize nor loath Bruce Lee. He made some contrabutions and brought about some misconceptions. Interpret the value of each how you want, but making up rumors or reading Wikipedia can’t change the past.