I rewatched one of his movies the other night… you know, the one in the ice plant. Well this might p.o. some people, but, is it me or was Bruce Lee just mediocre as an M.A.?
Compare him to Jet Li, Jackie Chan, or Tony Jaa.
[QUOTE=kfson;992067]I rewatched one of his movies the other night… you know, the one in the ice plant. Well this might p.o. some people, but, is it me or was Bruce Lee just mediocre as an M.A.?
Compare him to Jet Li, Jackie Chan, or Tony Jaa.[/QUOTE]
Context is everything and so is choreography !
Isaac Newton once said: “we only see so far because we stand on the shoulders of giants”.
The Marx brothers were genius in their day, but now, they fuel nostalgia and are not cutting edge at all.
Max Baer was the HW champ of the world in 1935 or so. A fairly average heavyweight would wipe the floor with max today.
The fastest man in the world in 1972 would be shamefully slow compared to Usain Bolt of Jamaica today.
By todays standards, yes, Bruce Lee is quite mediocre as a martial artist. It’s quite clear he would be a stain after having to deal with some of the world fighters these days.
This is exactly how things should be.
When it starts going backwards, that’s when we need to start being concerned.
Oh wait, it has already begun! lol
nah i dont think so i like all those guys but bruce just has so much charisma and a larger than life presence that they lack
and i never get tired of seeing him kicks bob walls ass in his movies lol
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;992074]Isaac Newton once said: “we only see so far because we stand on the shoulders of giants”.
The Marx brothers were genius in their day, but now, they fuel nostalgia and are not cutting edge at all.
Max Baer was the HW champ of the world in 1935 or so. A fairly average heavyweight would wipe the floor with max today.
The fastest man in the world in 1972 would be shamefully slow compared to Usain Bolt of Jamaica today.
By todays standards, yes, Bruce Lee is quite mediocre as a martial artist. It’s quite clear he would be a stain after having to deal with some of the world fighters these days.
This is exactly how things should be.
When it starts going backwards, that’s when we need to start being concerned.
Oh wait, it has already begun! lol[/QUOTE]
CRAZY TALK !!!
you missing the point. bruce lee is NOT our time…its a time long ago. and at that time bruce was better than alot of people. but he was NO god.
For those of us who grew up during this time (early 70’s), Bruce Lee was it. No matter what has happened since in the media or in real life (wire work, MMA) has not come close to the mania this one man created. But everything must be taken in context within the time period it happened. The fighters of that the time said Bruce was good and had respect for him - Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Mike Stone, Gene LeBell, etc. For people to say he wouldn’t have beaten so-and-so today is a moot point because these people have had the opportunity to study how Bruce trained. Isn’t that how the Gracies got beat, once people studied how they trained?
As for movie choreography, did you know Bruce choreographed his own fight scenes from day one? Look at how different his fight scenes are compared to the ones without him in The Big Boss and Fist of Fury.
So I’d say he’d kick Jet Li, Jackie Chan, and Tony Jaa’s butts.
Yui
Bruce’s fight scenes in "return of the dragon are works of poetry.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;992086]you missing the point. bruce lee is NOT our time…its a time long ago. and at that time bruce was better than alot of people. but he was NO god.[/QUOTE]
of course he isnt a god but then again so isnt anyone else either
however the mans impact on martial arts was incredible
and theres no point in comparing him to anyone today the mans dead so its nothing but poitnless speculation that goes no where
These guys weren’t in the movies, but is time always retrograde:
i never liked people saying “by the todays standards so and so wouldnt be that good”
i always personally thought it was a rediculous notion
sure some martial artists from the past wouldnt fare well but of course theres also plenty of them that would against modern martial artists
I have a fundamental issue with equating movie choreography with martial arts skill to begin with.
Following that logic, any wu shu player would have to be considered patently superior to any other stylist.
As a couple of people have mentioned before, the logic of the comparison is flawed.
[QUOTE=goju;992115]i never liked people saying “by the todays standards so and so wouldnt be that good”
i always personally thought it was a rediculous notion
sure some martial artists from the past wouldnt fare well but of course theres also plenty of them that would against modern martial artists[/QUOTE]
speculation only of course.
but looking back, i think the ratio of those that would do well vs a fighter of today would be small.
More like some would fare well and most would do poorly.
We are simply bigger, better, stronger, faster.
We eat better, we train better, we are not encumbered by disease or deficiency and so on.
We live longer naturally these days and therefore have longer to develop skills into viable abilities.
there is myriad reason why the ancients weren’t quite so able as we moderns are.
Of course we have abandoned some of the goodness, but mostly, we’ve built on things and made them much better through the adaptation.
As for the old men, well, they are old men, I doubt they were as good as the stories that are told about them are anyway.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;992121]speculation only of course.
but looking back, i think the ratio of those that would do well vs a fighter of today would be small.
More like some would fare well and most would do poorly.
We are simply bigger, better, stronger, faster.
We eat better, we train better, we are not encumbered by disease or deficiency and so on.
We live longer naturally these days and therefore have longer to develop skills into viable abilities.
there is myriad reason why the ancients weren’t quite so able as we moderns are.
Of course we have abandoned some of the goodness, but mostly, we’ve built on things and made them much better through the adaptation.
As for the old men, well, they are old men, I doubt they were as good as the stories that are told about them are anyway.[/QUOTE]
oh yes well when we are talking about primitive chinese ethnic groups who practiced a proto kung fu in caves then of course modern martial artists have an advatages lol
but when its people like oyama or kimura or lee i think its a bit rash to say they woudlnt do well in this time after all they havent been gone for THAT long and it snot liek weve grown extra limbs to fight with since then
[QUOTE=goju;992127]oh yes well when we are talking about primitive chinese ethnic groups who practiced a proto kung fu in caves [/QUOTE]
i fuk ur mother
There will never be another Bruce Lee.
(although Donnie Yen and Tony Jaa are great)
There will never be another Sean Connery
(although Daniel Craig is an awesome Bond)
There will never be another Eddie Van Halen
(but Steve Vai and Joe Satriani are amazing)
There will never be another Hendrix
(although SRV kix azz)
There will never be another Jesus
(although Chuck Norris is da Bomb)
There will never be another Elvis
(although Ozzy Osbourne…ok, now we’re getting silly…)
There will never be another lkfmdc
(although according to HW108…)
[QUOTE=bawang;992129]i fuk ur mother[/QUOTE]
you molest your couch pillows on friday nights
[QUOTE=TenTigers;992131]There will never be another lkfmdc
(although according to HW108…)[/QUOTE]
there will never be another goju or ten tigers either
we are all one of a kind
[QUOTE=goju;992133]you molest your couch pillows on friday nights[/QUOTE]
i call her wanda