i think jamie said it best. “we stand on the shoulders of giants” pretty much hits it on the head, my belief as well.
kung fu people stand on shoulders of a midget
bruce lee sux boo hiss
wanda?
really?
what an odd name for a couch.
Mine’s Sylvia. A much better name for a couch.
You should consider changing it.
p.s I spit water when I read that…
[QUOTE=bawang;992137]kung fu people stand on shoulders of a midget
bruce lee sux boo hiss[/QUOTE]
still, even on a midget we’re a little taller.
get it?
“a little” taller.
omg I’m turning into Mickey. :eek:
he couldnt even get a white woman the real way. he married his student. thats low man. REAL LOW
and wtf is wit that high piched scream. it maeks me cringe in shame
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;992074]
Max Baer was the HW champ of the world in 1935 or so. A fairly average heavyweight would wipe the floor with max today.
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shows what you know
dude killed someone in the ring with a single shot
only way that would happen today is if one of the klitschkos made one of these muscle-bound, no-gas-tank having cans actually work the whole 12 rounds.
although we would all get owned by a standard swordsman witha bit of experience from a few hundred years ago…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w9bRQTHd9g&feature=related
Supposedly, this is some footage of a training session between Bruce Lee and Taky Kimura in the early 60’s. What do you think?
he brought a concept and applied it to martial arts…
**** your all just fleas and im the big dog, and ill scratch you off my balls with my mother****ing paws!
[QUOTE=Pork Chop;992153]shows what you know
dude killed someone in the ring with a single shot
only way that would happen today is if one of the klitschkos made one of these muscle-bound, no-gas-tank having cans actually work the whole 12 rounds.[/QUOTE]
yeah, he faced a few tomato cans didn’t he. lol
I just picked Max outta my hat.
Without digressing into reminiscing about dead people and what they might have been, I still think that boxing has improved vastly in the last generation or two.
The previous one being built from now is the Ali/Foreman/Spinks/Leonard et al legacy.
All of those guys measured up and beyond the generation before them too.
It is to be expected that we grow and get better at all things.
Nothing stays the same. To do so is to stagnate, die and be forgotten.
when it comes to old school boxing i’ll admit i’m a bit biased.
but the plain fact is that fighters had more fights back then and there were just more fighters. i remember reading a statistic that there were more pro boxers in nyc back in the 50s than currently in the whole US. not only that, but people were just plain tougher. read dempsey’s biography some time if you don’t believe me.
max baer was 66w-13l-0d
frankie campbell was 33w-3l-2d with 26 KOs when baer killed him in the ring; by today’s standards he’d at least have an alphabet belt or two. “single punch” was probably a bit of an exaggeration, though baer had one of the hardest right hands in the business.
EDIT: can you honestly put baer lower than some of the guys klitschko’s lost to?
some guys i think would absolutely destroy new guys:
henry armstrong (welter) 149w-21l-10d
sugar ray robinson (middle) 173w-19l-6d
archie moore (light heavy) 185w-23l-11d
jack dempsey (heavy) 62w-6l-9d
it’s telling that a lot of guys that are successful now are considered “throwback” (hopkins, toney, pac, mayweather, etc).
[QUOTE=kfson;992067]I rewatched one of his movies the other night… you know, the one in the ice plant. Well this might p.o. some people, but, is it me or was Bruce Lee just mediocre as an M.A.?
Compare him to Jet Li, Jackie Chan, or Tony Jaa.[/QUOTE]
at the time
Bruce Lee said the real fight should be ended with one blow/strike. one kick, one punch or one move, and the opponent is out.
The Chinese MA cinema at the time, you would keep on fighitng and fighting 25 min later, you are still fighting with the same guy, no serious injuries occur and yes many and many moves and countermoves are crossed hand–
it was “shock” or wakening or rethinking of rendering of CMA related movies
guess what in the beginning, BL would take out the guards one strike one out at a time, but when met with better guards, he needed more moves
and the final fight with shih jian guess what it is still 10 min or longer fights–
Jet Li was a wushu champ at 13, He played Shaolin temple and made it big.
later he replayed huang hui hong in HK cinema and inspired the audience in the 1990s.
Jackie Chan is all about stunts and no substitutes. JC was very good at editing to make fighting scenes not boring but fun to watch. JC is always a comedian at heart.
He like to bring laughters to the world.
wire fu and CGI revolutionarized kung fu cinema, people has no kung fu may play kung fu such as matrix----
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Dont you guys know… Bruce Lee won MANY fighting competitions in the USA, and was un defeated as a figter. NO ONE can beat him. He is a CHINESE hero. Oh.. and its not true that he was born in the USA (or HK), he was actually born in Foshan. The west (and HK) just want to claim him for themselves because he was so famous!!
You guys know NOTHING! Chinese people know everything about MA.
… tho before Deng’s reform no one in china even knew about BL.
:rolleyes:
Everyone here is making the same mistake. You are comparing someone of yester-year to those of today, except that if the men of yester-year were here today they would have the same benefits of progress that the men of today have.
Think how good Bruce Lee, and other famous fighters, would have been if they had had Bruce Lee’s, Max Baer’s, Jackie Chan’s, Sugar Ray Robinson’s, Jet Li’s, etc. legacies to learn from and inspire and motivate them!
These men would also have had the benefits of today’s training protocols, therapeutic recovery methods, medical interventions, diets, etc to assist them in their training and careers.
The defining characteristic about about these men is not their abilities, but what their abilities were built FROM and that was competitiveness, drive, work ethic, etc.
Each of these legends of the past would likely become legends today because what makes a person a legend is not what they accomplished but the personal characteristics that motivated and drove them to excel others.
Whew…now I have to lie down and rest for a few hours, being serious is much more difficult than it looks. It is much easier being a smart aleck!!!
[QUOTE=Eddie;992212]Dont you guys know… Bruce Lee won MANY fighting competitions in the USA, and was un defeated as a figter. [/QUOTE]
Name them.
He sparred once at an Ed Parker tournament in full pads as a demo, but never fought in any of the tournaments of the day. As far as I remember, or have seen documented.
He did some alleged brawling in his youth, between dance competitions.
And then there is the legend of the Louie Jack Man fight…hmmmm, 2 bob each way on that one.
He was an actor. Actors get lots of takes to pummel guys that stand up to be pummeled. You can’t judge his skill from his movies.
Just sayin…
Regardless of the truth, there just isn’t proof to support your claim.
Everybody loves Siu Loong, fair enough, but lets stick to reality.
im losing my edge. I was trying to be sarcastic. This is what the people here believe.
thought the :rolleyes: at the end made it clear 