[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;992240]Everyone here is making the same mistake. You are comparing someone of yester-year to those of today, except that if the men of yester-year were here today they would have the same benefits of progress that the men of today have.
Think how good Bruce Lee, and other famous fighters, would have been if they had had Bruce Lee’s, Max Baer’s, Jackie Chan’s, Sugar Ray Robinson’s, Jet Li’s, etc. legacies to learn from and inspire and motivate them!
These men would also have had the benefits of today’s training protocols, therapeutic recovery methods, medical interventions, diets, etc to assist them in their training and careers.
The defining characteristic about about these men is not their abilities, but what their abilities were built FROM and that was competitiveness, drive, work ethic, etc.
Each of these legends of the past would likely become legends today because what makes a person a legend is not what they accomplished but the personal characteristics that motivated and drove them to excel others.
Whew…now I have to lie down and rest for a few hours, being serious is much more difficult than it looks. It is much easier being a smart aleck!!!:p[/QUOTE]
He sparred once at an Ed Parker tournament in full pads as a demo, but never fought in any of the tournaments of the day. As far as I remember, or have seen documented.
He did some alleged brawling in his youth, between dance competitions.
And then there is the legend of the Louie Jack Man fight…hmmmm, 2 bob each way on that one.
He was an actor. Actors get lots of takes to pummel guys that stand up to be pummeled. You can’t judge his skill from his movies.
Just sayin…
Regardless of the truth, there just isn’t proof to support your claim.
Everybody loves Siu Loong, fair enough, but lets stick to reality.[/QUOTE]
I met a guy several years back, (a well-known MA Sensei in the area)who claimed to have sparred Bruce Lee. I’m thinking,Cool. I guess it could’ve happened. The guy is much older than me, and quite possibly could’ve been around when Bruce was in NY… until he tells his story.
He said he fought him at Madison Square Garden…but Bruce beat him.'He’s got that sidekick, y’know. His side kick is really fast. You can’t stop it."
Since he was with his student, I didn’t want to say anything.
Sheesh!
[QUOTE=Pork Chop;992368]probably Alzheimer’s, that wasn’t his student, that was an escort from the nursing home
did he have the distinct smell of mothballs & dirty diapers?
sorry rik, set yourself up for that one[/QUOTE]
Hey, it was years ago, so I was only in my forties, he was in his late fifties.
Whippersnapper!
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;992341]That is mere specubation, the fact is no alcoholic lard butt would make it into the pros today, but who knows what he would do were he alive today.
In his day you could get away with it. Today, he would have either trained in a meaningful manner or not have played in the pros.
If he trained in a meaningful manner it is likely he would still be a top flight player!:)[/QUOTE]
Yea, he would have gone on the juice like all the other big hitters…
likewise i wonder if bl would never have experimented and used steroids if he’d had modern medical fact to back up the detrimental side effects of the drug.
such as arnold schwarzenegger(who juiced a considerable time frame after BL) who, once he found out the truth behind steroids, started a huge campaign against the use of steriod drugs and educating people.
[QUOTE=Lucas;992478]likewise i wonder if bl would never have experimented and used steroids if he’d had modern medical fact to back up the detrimental side effects of the drug.
such as arnold schwarzenegger(who juiced a considerable time frame after BL) who, once he found out the truth behind steroids, started a huge campaign against the use of steriod drugs and educating people.[/QUOTE]
Was that before or after Arnies heart operation(s)?
In music they talk about doing a deal with the devil at the crossroads at midnight (66 and 61 preferably…) I guess that’s the MA equivalent.
it was back in his younger days, i believe the late 70s early 80s
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from wiki:
Schwarzenegger has admitted to using performance-enhancing anabolic steroids while they were legal, writing in 1977 that “steroids were helpful to me in maintaining muscle size while on a strict diet in preparation for a contest. I did not use them for muscle growth, but rather for muscle maintenance when cutting up.” He has called the drugs “tissue building.”[25]
In 1999, Schwarzenegger sued Dr. Willi Heepe, a German doctor who publicly predicted his early death on the basis of a link between steroid use and later heart problems. As the doctor had never examined him personally, Schwarzenegger collected a $10,000 USD libel judgment against him in a German court.[26] In 1999, Schwarzenegger also sued and settled with The Globe, a U.S. tabloid which had made similar predictions about the bodybuilder’s future health.[27] Schwarzenegger was born with a bicuspid aortic valve, an aortic valve with only two leaflets (a normal aortic valve has three leaflets).[28][29] As late as 1996, a year before Schwarzenegger’s open heart surgery to replace this aortic valve with a human ****graft valve,[29] Schwarzenegger publicly defended his use of anabolic steroids during his bodybuilding career.[30]
[QUOTE=Lucas;992486]it was back in his younger days, i believe the late 70s early 80s
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from wiki:
Schwarzenegger has admitted to using performance-enhancing anabolic steroids while they were legal, writing in 1977 that “steroids were helpful to me in maintaining muscle size while on a strict diet in preparation for a contest. I did not use them for muscle growth, but rather for muscle maintenance when cutting up.” He has called the drugs “tissue building.”[25]
In 1999, Schwarzenegger sued Dr. Willi Heepe, a German doctor who publicly predicted his early death on the basis of a link between steroid use and later heart problems. As the doctor had never examined him personally, Schwarzenegger collected a $10,000 USD libel judgment against him in a German court.[26] In 1999, Schwarzenegger also sued and settled with The Globe, a U.S. tabloid which had made similar predictions about the bodybuilder’s future health.[27] Schwarzenegger was born with a bicuspid aortic valve, an aortic valve with only two leaflets (a normal aortic valve has three leaflets).[28][29] As late as 1996, a year before Schwarzenegger’s open heart surgery to replace this aortic valve with a human ****graft valve,[29] Schwarzenegger publicly defended his use of anabolic steroids during his bodybuilding career.[30][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;992476]DAYUM! The obtuse monster bit me on the backside!
I thought it was a little out of character for you Eddie, humble apologies for not getting it… :o[/QUOTE]
hehe no worries.
i often have people trying to tell me about how good BL was and yadayadayada. When I ask them about some (real) kung fu heros, they have no clue.
Very funny thing. Almost ALL of the little kung fu schools (in the park area or under the bridge - never in a building), teaches the ‘nunchaku’ or what they call two section staff. And almost all of them have the SAME moves in - typical BL movie stuff. Thats all cool, Im happy for them, but its still funny.
In HK I met an old Sifu who knew BL well. This guy is well respected by the sifus I know in HK, so I trust that its actually true.
The man was a short, big mouth, womanizing, ego maniac with a little man complex.
He took a mish mash of techniques from various traditional styles and claimed he created his own system.
[QUOTE=Lokhopkuen;992604]The man was a short, big mouth, womanizing, ego maniac with a little man complex.
He took a mish mash of techniques from various traditional styles and claimed he created his own system.
I really liked him until i developed some skill. Anyone ever notice he did not know how to work a staff? Later I got a chance to speak to many people who had known him. Aside from praise his skills not one person had a good thing to say about him, well except that he could Cha Cha likka mutherfvcker:D
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