for all those that still think bjj guys intentionally try to take a streetfight to the ground, check out “BJJ Self Defense Techniques” there are over 100 self defense techs with color photos and pretty detailed explanations. out of all of the techs, only about 5 involve both parties going to the ground, and in two of those, the victim was already on the ground. the techs look like chin na and judo. it’s a pretty good read - check it out.
Who’s the author? Most of the fumetti-style* demonstrations I’ve seen of BJJ self defense techs are basically last ditch stuff for a woman to do when she’s been subdued and is about to be raped - in other words, working the guard
- fumetti: comic books where the images consist of photographs rather than drawings.
Does anyone actually train the “BJJ self-defense” curriculum though?
I’ve always thought the situation to be ironic, in light of how often BJJ people tend to criticize others for not training how they plan on fighting.
it’s by royce and charles gracie and kid peligro.
Braden, I’m sure some schools train it.we do on occasion, but not enough to drill it in. It’s definitely there though. a few of the guys and I have been talking about starting to drill them outside of class.
Links
Royce’s site:
http://www.attitudeapparel.com/products/picture/book/book.htm
I think they use the whole"train how you fight" thing in regards to contact and resistance. I know tkd blackbelts that only light contact spar and pull punches when they go full contact because that is what they are used to. with sports like bjj and judo, they aren’t pulling too much. there is definitely alot of hard contact and that will transfer to the street. however, if they are used to being on the ground and not training the self defense stuff, they will have more of a tendency to go to the groun, IMO. we do judo on monday nights, so we get to drill standup and clinch work too.
Also - “Kid Peligro??!!??” are you sure this guy isn’t related to Ricky the Dragon Steamboat, Junkyard Dog, Big Boss Man and The Undertaker?
sounds like he might be. If he didn’t have a black belt in bjj and hadn’t won the world masters title twice, I might think that he was.
Yeah, I saw that but still - whotta nickname!
KID is his Screen Name on the INTERNET…lol…his real name is a mystery even to BJJ guys I think. I don’t like that book in particular! But oh well…
what don’t you like about it?
BJJ is a ground fighting system. There’s debate whether RORIAN( Royce’s bro ) modified much of the standup stuff u see in the book to make it look more acceptable for multiple attacks or weapon scenario. I do believe that MARIO SPERRY VALE TUDO tapes/teachings are truer version of STREET BJJ. I think the standup of BJJ which is OLD SKOOL judo and jjj is great! But I felt Royce should have stayed more focus to the ground fighting of BJJ.
BJJ is a one trick pony.
Ok its a good trick that was desighned to take out ONE guy very effectively but its going to get you hurt when you have to face more than one guy.
Trying to pretend that BJJ is more than just ground fighting (which is the point of this thread) is fooling youir self.
“BJJ is a one trick pony”
you keep telling yourself that.
“Trying to pretend that BJJ is more than just ground fighting (which is the point of this thread) is fooling youir self.”
I think your fooling yourself if you think bjj can’t be used in any other way than on the ground
Regardless of what art you practice, you are a human being, and you will use in a stressful fight, what you practice the most. You will not be good at what you do not work on.
Wrestlers can punch and slug, just not very good. Boxers can wrestle, just very badly.
BJJ guys - who knows? Whatever they practice the most should stand out in a fight regardless of what they think will happen. The truth is we don’t know what will happen or what we will do in a ‘sudden’ confrontation.
I don’t know what Vitor practices the most, but he certainly punches better than any other BJJ guys I have seen, and I’ll bet he works on punching a lot. That is just a guess. I mean, the first time he went to the ground with Randy Coture, he did not look anything like a Royce Gracie by any stretch of the imagination. And I don’t think Royce would stand in front of a Tank Abbot, and knock him out with a straight right cross either.
My former bjj teacher Chris Haueter (Machado black belt) also has a great video series about street applications of bjj. It’s called “Street Jits”. Chris has a very realistic approach regarding what goes in real life and what doesn’t. Anyone interested should definitely check it out.
When I was a white belt, the first things I learned were basic self defense techniques that consisted of stnding grappling and some striking. It was basically JJJ.
Originally posted by Liokault
[B]BJJ is a one trick pony.
Ok its a good trick that was desighned to take out ONE guy very effectively but its going to get you hurt when you have to face more than one guy.
Trying to pretend that BJJ is more than just ground fighting (which is the point of this thread) is fooling youir self. [/B]
trying to post something like this and sound intelligent shows you’ve got alot to learn…
Actually, he is right. BJJ is primarily a ground fighting art. That is exactly what makes it so effective. People who say you never want to take a street fight to the ground are clueless. There are many scenarios where it is advantageous to take your opponent to the ground to finish him.
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If you know there are no other people around to jump in while you are on the ground. - If you have backup. Take a guy down and he will be helpless to defend against any allies you may have.
- If you just need to control someone until backup arrives.
- When you are being outclassed on your feet. Taking a superior striker to the ground can mean the difference between beating someone else’s ass vs. getting yours kicked.
- When you throw your opponent and he exposes an arm or leg. In this case you can finish him off and be back on your feet long before anyone else has a chance to do anything.
- When you can finish the opponent with the takedown (i.e. high amplitude slam, rolling knee bar,
Also, there are the times when you may not want to be on the ground, but end up there anyway.
- Someone with a wrestling background takes you down.
- Someone jumps you from behind and pulls you down.
- You take a hit that knocks you to the ground.
- You clinch with an opponent and both end up tumbling onto the ground.
- Most stabbing deaths occur after a person has been stabbed once or twice and fallen onto the ground. The fatal wounds are many times not the original ones, but, rather, the ones that occur after the attacker has followed up with more stabs after the person has fallen to the ground. Knowing how to work the ground can save your life in this scenario.
trying to post something like this and sound intelligent shows you’ve got alot to learn…
:rolleyes:
A well thought through argument there.