Rickson Gracie beach fight. It looks setup and taped for school marketing purposes. I have zero beef with that but I do think the following comment is a bit offbase.
“This is what you should excpect from a real life street fight.”
ahhhh…ok.
The lengthy ground game might be cool on a sandy beach with hot gals in thongs. Its not so fine to roll in concrete, glass and dog ****. Neither is it wise to roll in front of a crowd. What would he do if and when members of the crowd started putting the boot in?
Ya know, I have never seen BJJ train for multiple attackers.
As far as reality goes: I have lived in SoCal. From E L.A. with the vatos there to Newport Beach with the surfer crowd. Everytime I have seen a streetfight, it becomes a mob of the dude friend coming down on you. Specially in E L.A., if you try to grapple with someone and “take it to the ground” be prepared to get your side or back knifed. I have seen many fights where one dude got lured away from his buddies and then jumped on. Only effective way I have seen to defend that is to stay on your feet. Constantly moving and taking your shots tactically until your friends can jump in. If you have no friends with you, your only option is to run.
I witnessed a fight in Huntington Beach where a guy walked up to a dude at a party. Started sh-t with him. Called him outside. As soon as he stepped outside the apartment 4-5 guys jumped on him. It only took seconds before his other friends could jump into the melee, but you shoulda seen the dude face and ribs afterwards as he was being treated by the paramedics.
CAN ANYONE WITH BJJ BACKGROUND TELL ME THEY PRACTICE FOR THAT REALITY OF STREET FIGHT OR DO YOU GUYS JUST LIKE HUGGIN ONE SWEATY GUY AT A TIME?? I have yet to see a BJJ school practice that type of scenario. In every one of my Kung Fu and Kempo classes that I have taken. We practiced multiple attackers. Sparred with take down, with multiple attackers as well as learning to evade a bad situation. That is one of the main reason why I have yet to shell out cash to study BJJ. Sure any BJJ guy can probably kick my a$$ in sparring. But I am confident I can fair well enough in a multiple attacker scenario in true streetfight. In this video, Gracie could’ve been easily knifed in the back. Especially in Brazil!! Puuuhhhhllleeeesse.
BJJ is probably the most awesome MA for the ring and full contact fighting. In the street, it has its flaws as with any MA out there. More so than others IMHO and based on street fights I have witnessed.
[QUOTE=Black Jack II;757439]I am not bashing BJJ, just the comment on the tape is all.[/QUOTE]
Well I am. I am bashing the comment made on that tape about “real street fight” That is a joke.
I will retract my comment about fairing well in a street fight though. With my bad knees and getting on with age. I would probably get my a$$ kicked now. 15yrs ago, yeah. I could still run fast back in the day.
what would the gracie in this video do if he was in the situation of the man in the 3 vs. 1 video?
would he still try and take them all to the ground? or would he try to rely on limited striking ability and his knowledge of distance and maneuvers?
an interesting scenario for sure. i would be interested to see how the gracie bjj academy deals with multiple attacker scenario’s and how much they train for this type of possible situation.
as stated by the gracie talking in this video, " the purpose of any self defense should be to be prepare you for the unpredictable reality of the streets."
what does the gracie jiujitsu academy doto train for the unpredictability of multiple attackers?
simply a curious mind who knows nothing of BJJ is curious about style
I walked into a bar and someone got glassed in front of me…
I was sitting at a table and a guy next to me (who’d been introduced but who I didn’t know and didn’t have any connection to or futher conversation with) tried to shove his glass directly into my face…
I’ve been punched out of the blue by someone I didn’t recognize in the street with his three mates as back up…
I’ve been frogmarched down a road from outside a police station by two guys with bottles, one of them broken…
These are street ‘fights’. Unexpected. Fast. Brutal.
I thought the exact same thing as you guys when I saw this… people squaring off like in a schoolyard is much more similar to the ring, and basically is just that: schoolyard stuff. Cute.
Not dissing BJJ in any way, but I’m sure Brazil has more endemic violence problems which are more typical of a nastier violence anywhere in the world.
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Not dissing BJJ in any way, but I’m sure Brazil has more endemic violence problems which are more typical of a nastier violence anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]
agreed.
i do have massive respect for bjj/jj for its often superiority in 1vs1 confrontation.
Which one style trains realisticly to stay and defeat multiple attackers? In all my years of study, Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, I’ve never seen a gym allow more than one guy go free and full on against another.
It is hard enough to face one, motivated attacker. Saying BJJ is less prepared for that situation is like saying LA is less prepared for meteor to strike earth than NYC.
Which one style trains realisticly to stay and defeat multiple attackers? In all my years of study, Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, I’ve never seen a gym allow more than one guy go free and full on against another.
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Saviano’s White Tiger Kempo in Addison Ill. does what they call “Bar room brawling”. It where they take all the mid to upper ranks, go in the back room, put the lights out, and everyone starts fighting eachother. Last one standing wins.
It’s a totally un predictable atmosphere, you get attacked by multiples at once, team up with friends and brawl against one or more classmates.
It always sonded like fun stuff. I was actually going to join that club because of it, except I lived with a girl who trained there, and it was kind of her place of sanctuary from me…and her class time was my time away from her to be by myself.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;757452]Which one style trains realisticly to stay and defeat multiple attackers? In all my years of study, Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, I’ve never seen a gym allow more than one guy go free and full on against another.
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Not stay and defeat. Fight so that you can evade or long enough for help to arrive. Or since I am here in TX and can carry a gun legally, fight so that I can have room or time to draw my weappon. Staying to defeat would be impossible as the numbers grow. However, I know from experience, Kempo, and Arnis has a ton of drills in dealing with up to 5 attackers at once. One of the main things that stuck with me in Kempo was stacking opponents. There is a post here about a 3 vs 1 video that has a good example of moving and stacking your opponents so that they can’t come at you at once. The guy was able to knock one dude out and last long enough for the cops to show up.
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;757466]whats the difference between brazil and japan jiu jitsu? please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]JJJ has probably scores of ryuha (styles). Most JJJ schools didn’t go much on competitive, live resistance training (sparring/rolling). Some of them however, always did. Some JJJ have a better stand-up game than BJJ, and train more striking. Nowadays, I’m happy to say, over here anyway, probably because of the success of BJJ many JJJ schools have introduced regular sparring/rolling.
[QUOTE=xcakid;757438]Ya know, I have never seen BJJ train for multiple attackers.[/QUOTE]
Standard BJJ does not train for multiple attackers, although it can be modified for that. BJJ specializes in ground fighting against a single opponent… it can also be a viscious system for those who want to use it with multiple people against a single opponent.
As far as multiple opponents, very few systems train realistically for that, although many claim they do.
[QUOTE=xcakid;757438]Ya know, I have never seen BJJ train for multiple attackers.
As far as reality goes: I have lived in SoCal. From E L.A. with the vatos there to Newport Beach with the surfer crowd. Everytime I have seen a streetfight, it becomes a mob of the dude friend coming down on you. Specially in E L.A., if you try to grapple with someone and “take it to the ground” be prepared to get your side or back knifed. I have seen many fights where one dude got lured away from his buddies and then jumped on. Only effective way I have seen to defend that is to stay on your feet. Constantly moving and taking your shots tactically until your friends can jump in. If you have no friends with you, your only option is to run.
I witnessed a fight in Huntington Beach where a guy walked up to a dude at a party. Started sh-t with him. Called him outside. As soon as he stepped outside the apartment 4-5 guys jumped on him. It only took seconds before his other friends could jump into the melee, but you shoulda seen the dude face and ribs afterwards as he was being treated by the paramedics.
CAN ANYONE WITH BJJ BACKGROUND TELL ME THEY PRACTICE FOR THAT REALITY OF STREET FIGHT OR DO YOU GUYS JUST LIKE HUGGIN ONE SWEATY GUY AT A TIME?? I have yet to see a BJJ school practice that type of scenario. In every one of my Kung Fu and Kempo classes that I have taken. We practiced multiple attackers. Sparred with take down, with multiple attackers as well as learning to evade a bad situation. That is one of the main reason why I have yet to shell out cash to study BJJ. Sure any BJJ guy can probably kick my a$$ in sparring. But I am confident I can fair well enough in a multiple attacker scenario in true streetfight. In this video, Gracie could’ve been easily knifed in the back. Especially in Brazil!! Puuuhhhhllleeeesse.
BJJ is probably the most awesome MA for the ring and full contact fighting. In the street, it has its flaws as with any MA out there. More so than others IMHO and based on street fights I have witnessed.[/QUOTE]
In some schools, bjj does do self defense training as well. My school does, and If I’m not mistaken, gjj schools like gracie barra does it. Royce has a book focusing on it. Anyway, some of the scenarios you practice are multiple opponent based.
ironically, on my job, it is the grapplers who have had the most success… the kempo guy we had got beaten up and eventually quit.
