[QUOTE=Water-quan;749054]Then let’s say, in my experience.[/QUOTE]
ok - that answers paragraph #2; any reason in particular you didn’t answer the first paragraph of my post?
Greetings..
Hi Chris: I would be very appreciative of more references.. thanks in advance.. you can PM the refs if you choose, but.. i would like to think others might benefit as well..
Be well..
[QUOTE=cjurakpt;749121]ok - that answers paragraph #2; any reason in particular you didn’t answer the first paragraph of my post?[/QUOTE]
Obviously.
[QUOTE=Water-quan;749208]Obviously.[/QUOTE]
why won’t you answer the question?
[QUOTE=TaiChiBob;749184]Greetings..
Hi Chris: I would be very appreciative of more references.. thanks in advance.. you can PM the refs if you choose, but.. i would like to think others might benefit as well..
Be well..[/QUOTE]
if you Google L. M. Nashner, you’ll get a lot of stuff on postural control - he’s one of the old-time gurus in the field; the other big names are Anne Shumway-Cook & Fay Horak, same thing, lots of stuff on Google; for the taichi and balance research, the guy who’s done most of it is Steven L. Wolf, PT - not so much on Google, but if you do a Medline search, it should bring up article’s he’s authored
also, Googling “postural control” will give you several good resources
if I find more specific stuff, I’ll post it;
[QUOTE=cjurakpt;749228]why won’t you answer the question?[/QUOTE]
Well, do you go around naming people saying “I don’t rate such and such a person” publicly? I’d rather find the benefits of people, and the problems in styles - it’s not personal, just martial arts investigation.
When people start saying “you obviously know nothing” just because I don’t agree with them, well, it doesn’t make any difference to me what they think. I train happily with Taiji or Muay Thai or Tae Kwon Do… because I don’t slag off people, just question method.
Besides, sometimes we rate people highly compared to some, but then not compared to others. The only people I feel comfortable calling by name are the people who appear to be actual, out and out frauds making outrageous claims - like so called “Shaolin” Wah Nam who can burst an MMA fighters internal organs open with a light touch.
[QUOTE=Water-quan;749365]Well, do you go around naming people saying “I don’t rate such and such a person” publicly? I’d rather find the benefits of people, and the problems in styles - it’s not personal, just martial arts investigation.
When people start saying “you obviously know nothing” just because I don’t agree with them, well, it doesn’t make any difference to me what they think. I train happily with Taiji or Muay Thai or Tae Kwon Do… because I don’t slag off people, just question method.
Besides, sometimes we rate people highly compared to some, but then not compared to others. The only people I feel comfortable calling by name are the people who appear to be actual, out and out frauds making outrageous claims - like so called “Shaolin” Wah Nam who can burst an MMA fighters internal organs open with a light touch.[/QUOTE]
fair enough - so, without naming names, is it possible to delineate the style and / or characteristics of the person / people in question, in terms of what they attempted on you, how it didn’t live up to your expectations, etc.?
I am asking this not to try to bait you - in fact, I am inclined to agree pretty much entirely with your credo posted earlier in regards to the internal / external dichotomy - I have posted elsewhere that I think this is an articficial division created by “internalists” in order to explain why they can’t fight that well; this is with all due respect to TC Bob, who’s opinion I also respect despite the fact that we might not agree on that point;
I will give an example from my own experience: I recently was introduced by my teacher to a TCC player from another “style”, a long-term practitioner, who was considered within his own community to be “high level”; in order to demonstrate our approach, my teacher had me do some very basic pushing with him; as soon as we touched hands, the guy was obviously totally out of his center; furthermore, he wasn’t able to do anything to me at all; in my opinion, he was very low level; then he starts talking about how he can’t find my center, that it felt like my root was 20 feet into the floor, etc.; now maybe he was playing dumb but I don’t think he was; the point is, he was ascribing to me things that I wasn’t even doing / trying to do - for example, we don’t “root” in that sense when we push - we use a lot more “hin gung” than many other styles I’ve seen (c.f. - TC Bob - the whole CTS response thing…he he); if he wasn’t playing dumb, then I was the greatest pusher he’d ever met (which, if so, is a sad commentary on the state of things in general 
) - to him I was “high level”; to me, I’m better than average, but not the best (BTW - best 3 I’ve “felt” in terms of hands-on: my teacher, Sifu Sat Hon; the late, great Sifu BP Chan; Sifu Sam Chin of I Liq Quan);
I guess what I am asking about is what do people consider to be / not be “high level”, in terms of their own expectations versus a general communal concensus? when we say “high level”, what do we mean? what does it mean if, in WQ’s case, he’s touched with someone who is considered “high level”, but it didn’t impress him? anyway, that’s about it…
Greetings..
Hi Chris: Those of notable repute that i have pushed with and been impressed are: WCC Chen, Dr. Yang Jwing Ming (a bit external, but very good), Ms. Cui Yu Li, David Chin (a bit external but extremely powerful with little effort), Wei Lun Huang.. apologies if i’ve overlooked anyone.. less known, Master Wong and his senior student Jeff R. (both have the real deal, spooky good stuff)..
The most impressive qualities are the relaxed and natural movements, some of their advice is: don’t reach, don’t try to make openings, they will occur naturally; respond immediately to stimulus, don’t let it mature into the opponent’s advantage; discard “clever technique”, the principles work; study human nature, physiology, and physics; understand “central equilibrium”; Understand Connective Tissue and Tensegrity… practice, “invest in loss”, and.. always respect the opponent..
I have seen a few people with “the real deal” (no, not “magic”).. people with such skill at listening and adhering that as i initiated probings or intentions their active Peng returned the energy to me, causing me to push myself away from them.. they were so comfortable with combat situations that their natural and relaxed attacks had no appearance or feeling of aggression, the deception was so obvious that i simply overlooked it.. like a friend putting his hand on your shoulder..
One of the more profound lessons i have had was in finding my natural power/speed.. have someone stand behind you and toss one of those squishy weighted balls (5-6" dia. and 5-6 lbs) over your head so that they drop in front of you at arm’s length.. as they drop just reach out and grab them.. this is a lesson in your natural motion.. then, try to hit them as hard as you can.. the difference in accuracy will amaze you.. the harder we “try” the more we miss..
Your reference to “hin gung” is unfamiliar to me, but.. we practice “dynamic rooting”.. one practice that is particularly useful is to stand next to a wall and apply a moderate amount of “pressing” pressure with both hands.. then, move around but maintain the same constant amount of pressure.. after a while, do this with a partner, have them hold a bow-stance and apply pressure to their torso, then.. move around maintaining the same constant amount of pressure.. both players benefit..
As you say, the CTS is a remarkable system.. it is a valuable tool to have in your arsenal..
Be well..
Well, I want to re-say what I said. I have seen met and trained with many people, from many different styles, and in every style there is someone who is very good, just as powerful as everyone else of any other system who is also very good - outstanding indivduals, regardless of style.
If I have a problem with Taiji, it’s that it’s long winded and crippling to all the necessary, natural attributes of a fighter - also really bad for health. But, that’s just my experience.