hi there
Do you people sometime wonder why there is no Bagua or other internal fighter in UFC? What is your opinion on this?
Take care
:rolleyes:
There was a paqua guy in one of the UFC’s. He got knocked out in about 2 seconds.
What was funny about that is that he had been saying that the UFC wouldn’t let him compete because his paqua was ‘too deadly’. LOL !!!
There are internal stylists competing quite successfully in full contact tournaments.
The problem is alot of people think that UFC is the only, or perhaps the most important, full contact event. It’s not.
Braden - what tournaments?
Braden,
I’m interested in knowing what tournaments that have internalist. Are these hsing-i, pa kua, mantis fighters?
Razak - for example, check out Mike Patterson’s site at www.hsing-i.com
His fighters (mostly xingyi, but some with bagua and taiji as well) have fared well against a wide variety of opponents. He’s got some of the official stats up on his page.
I saw the Bagua guy in the UFC referenced above…I don’t do Bagua, so I will refrain from commenting on his skill, but will say that he weighed in at about 400 lbs (no kidding).
I find it hard to believe that someone so large and out of shape could be very adept at an art which places a great deal of emphasis on deft footwork…I could be wrong…
UFC#?
Hi there
thank you for poitive response.lolz..i was pretty scared that one of you people might get offended or something:P anyway i doubt if Mister Mike
Patterson’s fighters ever competed against grapplers/wresters. Ermmm have you people ever seen internal guys in no weight division tournament?
take care :rolleyes:
You may want to speak with Tim Cartmell of the Shen Wu academy. He is a Neijia adept as well as a BJJ practitioner. As far as I know he has successfully competed in BJJ type tournaments using many techniques from Ba Gua etc.
You can check out his website at www.shenwu.com
KG
Jim
I’m not a big fan of UFC or WWF sanctioned events but bagua guys fight in tournaments. I’m wondering about the direction of your questions. When you say you doubt Mike Pattersons guys ever compete against wrestlers and grapplers I wonder if you even know what bagua is? Says in your profile you have been learning bagua for three years now. Have you ever learned any applications from your bagua teacher? Have you ever sparred in your class? My feeling about your original question is that you will probably never see any “real” bagua in UFC tournaments.
Dear count
heh heh…nope i did not learn any applications from my teacher! lolz since i’m now concentrating on internal energy development(oh ..and school works too!). I do only some single movement drills, walking the circle, shaking the pole, and standing meditations. i’m sorry if i lead you to the wrong way. i admit that sometime i doubt of internal style since i’ve never seen any internal stylists fight for real( well except chan hak fu and wu gong yee..lolz!). anyway is it true that BJJ is more internal and more sophisticated than Hsing-i ground fighting skill? (from Tim Cartmel himself..folks)
Take care
Sparring
Dear count
yes i do some sparrings before but not in bagua
class tho since i’m the only student of my teacher..lolz…i used to sparred a lot in Bangkok but did not go to the ground or anything like that.
take care :rolleyes:
Jim
Pretty much what I figured. Yes, it is true and often overlooked that wrestling including BJJ is an internal art. But look to your own art and you will find the answers you seek. The greatest bagua men were wrestlers. I would recommend a teacher that teaches applications as well as basic exercises. You can’t learn to fight with bagua unless you fight with bagua but you might be surprised what you already know.
i watched the tape last night..man…that fat bub lasted 4 like ten secs…poor daddi 
He got dropped by a jab.
“The Tao is an uncarved block of wood in which all shapes are possible.”
this post
I must say that I wanted to do a post like this but I know when I speak I bring controversy…
I wonder why we dont see pa kua chang fighters? Is it because we are limited in these events or could it be that we have the skills to fight in these tournaments?
What is the right question and answer?
ufc
Sorry guys, I just want to exhibit my ignorance here.
Is UFC Ultimate Fighting Championships? Is it some American thing or what? Everyone seems to slam all these ufc and mma videos (where do you get them? very curious) and yet still watch them. Can you get those videos in the UK or Ireland?
Again, sorry that I don’t know what ufc is. Please don’t hit me.
Razak,
It comes down to politics and the governing bodies for the various organizations. You can find Bagua in tournaments but you will not find it in the UFC.
BTW, just an observation but I have seen maybe 100’s of bagua practitioners and I have NEVER seen a fat one. The UFC have only allowed people say they represent CMA to gain dominance to their stars. If there are any they have had little to no experience in traditional chinese martial arts and also crosstrain in many other styles. The real NHB was in Asia in the past where fighters wore no equipment and fought until one could not fight any more. No tapping out in these battles.
Hmmm interesting
As I heard before the UFC has chosen fighters which gives on an advantage over the other…(it thats true) but what tournaments can you name that there have been pa kua fighters? I’d like to know…
Razak,
I know of a couple annual events in the US that are in San Francisco and in Ohio. I’m sure there are many others. I will e-mail you information after class this weekend. You can check the back of KungFu Magazine for events and results and probably any other publication invovling martial arts. I recently saw a great video where a bagua style fighter convincingly beat a pro from the Chinese San Shou team.
BTW, I find your controversial posts quite refreshing as they come from an informed source unlike some of the others. ü
Ghost Dog..i’m gonna hit you!
Gark!! bwahahhaha!!..ghost dog..u r so cute..heh heh..just kidding..ermm well u can find the tapes in almost every video stores here..i dunno about in england tho..well you should ask them people in the stores …or purchase them via internet.
Take care