mechanically, those two kicks are similar. Neither are anything like the thai roundhouse.
balance and power have to do ONLY with the training agility and person. It has nothing to do with the style.
a little woman like ming yue hits you with a baseball bat. A big guy like me hits you with a wet towel (think of the rat tail fights we had as kids) which hurts more?
If I take the bat and flick you with it (think a bunt) and she hits you like she’s trying to hit a grand slam, which hurts more?
I hit you with a wiffle ball bat, she hits you with a louisville slugger. Who will hurt you more?
sevenstar, and master killer. please explain what you think the difference is.
i.e
we have a low mantis kick aka (roundhouse). it is thrown exactly they way they do it in a thailand. america and vietnam. we turn the hip, kick the outside of the quatrcept, focus point is the tarcel bones of the foot.
so you mean to tell me because I practice CMA my kick is better balanced but less powerful???
do you hear how obsurd this sounds?
can anyone else chime in here perhaps I am nto explaining this correctly. I dont care how powerful your kick is or how much you wind up or how fast it is executed. if you have to use your hand to balance your body this is not proper. and sloppy.
if you drop your guard doing this this ia a BAD HABIT! weather or not your study different arts, different countries, different kicks.
master K
YES definatly… in sparring that is never in a street fight obviously…however when my body spun my hands were still protecting my handsome face:)
but your link there said Thai boxers possess the most powerful martial arts kick in the world. No other martial art throws the roundhouse kick in the same manner. Once of the distinguishing traits of the Muay Thai roundhouse kick is that fighters kick with the shinbone instead of the foot. It’s highly possible to knock out or even cripple an opponent with a single blow to the neck or jaw.
I can find a shotokan link that says shotokan karate has the most powerful punches of all teh martial arts.
I wish I were computer savy so I could post, side-by-side, comparision clips of a well-executed MT kick vs. a well-executed CMA/JMA/KMA roundhouse kick.
While ED may not have a difference in his style, there most certainly is a major difference in body mechanics.
I didn’t write that copy. I was just posting the pics for argument’s sake.
Pictures of your CMA roundhouse for comparison would be appreciated, as everyone else here including me knows the usual CMA roundhouse is done by chambering the leg and snapping the foot out.
Judge pen,
I dont want to get off topic. or be mis- quoted.
I am not saying theres no difference in body mechanics between different styles.
I am saying that within the difference it is not a good habit to drop that hands or rely on using the arms for balance no matter how hard you throw a kick.
thai or not, japanese or not korean or not this is a bad habit. but are we comparing the sport of thai fighting or kicking fundmentals?
Master K
perhaps I am being misquoted or I explained myself wrongly. if so I apologize.
I am not comparing the mechanics or fundamentals of any one kick.
but the fact remains a kick is a kick.
if you are dropping yor hands to make up for loss of balance or to push the kick harder or to wind up, this is improper. and should be addressed at the moment it is done by the student.
a good teacher should see these habits and break them . it is the same as lowering your chamber when learning how to punch. everyone’s styles chambers is different however it is still a bad habit to drop it when you punch.
ED, for any kick but the MT round, I would agree with you. But you can’t tell an entire style that they are throwing a kick wrong. That’s the way that they do it and it is effective. If you don’t think so, go to Memphis and ask 7* to demonstrate his kicks.
Judge Pen,
again I am not saying all MT guys are kicking wrong.
I simply said and will still say that if a person throws a kick reguardless of style but has to use the arms to make up for loss of balance or thinks it generates more power then this is a bad habit. please dont construe incorrectly that I said the kick is wrong. I never said that. just that you shouldnt drop the hands from your face to execute a kick.
LOl if I went to Memphis to watch sevenstar kick he would then have to take me to see Elivs
I use the MT roundhouse with the hip thrust and all.
It’s a pretty strong roundhouse kick, better than the others I’ve learned and frankly I personally prefer it mechanically speaking, power generation wise etc etc.
I don’t use the snapping chambered roundhouse anymore because…(ed you’re not gonna like this ) it has way less power than the thai kick.
However, sometimes I’ll drop the arm to get more twist factor, and sometimes i’ll keep it up. There is definitely a power generation difference.
Too much control can really hinder power, to much wild abandon can bring sloopiness to the equation.
For the last 4 years I’ve been trying to absorb whatever I can from as many places as possible. there are things I found quite alien at first, but with a litle work, there is a lotthat has replaced stuff in my practice that was comparably sub standard. Not saying it’s totally bad, just that there is better stuff out there.
Hybridize your stuff. It will still be just as if not more effective and it will be your own kungfu as well.
Ok, I don’t understand. If, as a style, MT people are taught to drop one arm to throw a round-house (taught within the style), then are they teaching a bad-habit? Have all MT people been taught a bad-habit?
If you shouldn’t drop an arm to throw the kick, but all MT people drop an arm whn throwing that kick, are they not doing what you say they shouldn’t?
I’ve never had the hip flexibilty to use the CMA roundhouse effectively, so I use the Thai version most of the time. Going high, though, I have to use crescent kicks. My hips are just too tight to get my leg up higher than the thigh on a roundhouse (either style). I use a front heel kick/push kick/teep about 90% of the time, anyway, to setup my hands.
I use a front-kick/teep and a side kick most of the time sparring to set up my hands. I used to throw a thai style round-house but I stopped using it because my main sparring partner had my number on the kick. I couldn’t get the angle on him with that kick and he would kick me first with a low front kick everytime everytime. I may try to work it in agaisnt someone that’s slower than me.
) it has way less power than the thai kick.