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Simple question.
Another question thats been on my mind screaming for an answer :
How developed is the striking techniques in Shuai Chiao. Its a wrestling style so I’d think that would take a backseat to the throwing portion. I know you couldn’t compare it to styles like White Crane or Praying Mantis but could you rely on it if needed. Is it generic Chang Chuan moves, or like Japanese Sports Karate, Kickboxing maybe. Replies ?
From what I’ve seen from Shuai Jiao as a system(most systems have shuai jiao techs in them). The style combines the striking and throws. Strikes are used to set up throws and throws are used to set up strikes. I am not really sure what the modern competitions allow but traditional shuai jiao(as a system) is more like anything goes than olympic wrestling or BJJ.
Depends on what you meamn by “Shuai Chiao”.
The sport version is strictly a grappling art.
The Chang Style ‘martial art’ of Shuai Chiao includes weapons work - but not the classical 18 weapons. It teaches handguns, knife and stick. And THAT depends on who you learned it from. My experience is that ALMOST EVERY teacher who learned from Chang will have a different answer. Some are based on personal preference, others what they learned.
Many of those teachers have also practiced other arts and incorporate those things into thier curriculum.
The beauty of this is that you find a lot of really intelligent practitioners who have taken thier arts in different, but often equally valid directions. There is a great deal that can be learned.
Chang’s Shuai Chiao really emphasized Xing Yi or Lohan for the fisticuffs - there is a lot of content there, but it is not as heavily focused on in most of the schools I have seen. After all, the emphasis IS on throwing skill.
Keep in mind - that I have never trained with Chang - so I can only speak from what I have observed and learned from his students. However, I am fairly certain that some students are more honest than others. There seems to be a direct relation between chest puffing and lack of knowledge.
Although - I have seen some Chang Shuai Chiao people who teach simple kick boxing with thier Shuai Chiao. I don’t care for this approach - but to each thier own.
I meant traditional Shuai Chiao. Sports anything usually mean watered down. So the striking tech’ really depends on your teacher. Who exactly teaches handguns though. It must be a NHB Reality training type thing
from my learning experiences in training shuai chiao for the last 4 years,
the strikes are part of the throw. as an example, grabbing and hitting are used in unison to steal
balance while the body moves in for the throw.
the striking/kicking aspect of shuai chiao isn’t immediately apparent, but it is very much there and well developed.
also from what i have learned, any shuai chiao throw can be used with any weapon, slight modifications are needed for some weapons though.
in competition [sport] SC, strikes and kicks are almost nonexistant, except for shoving/pushing type hits and sweeps.
similar to judo.
here’s a page form the black belt mag that i posted somewhere else; it’s an interview with GM gene chicoine and he goes into some detail regarding shuai chiao striking and throwing…http://w3.blackbeltmag.com/halloffame/html/215.html
Yeah, I guess you could look at it that way. But the ‘strikes’ in the throws are not trained the way you would train a striking style. I tend to view the body hitting in the throws as an element of throwing skill, not as pugilistic skills.
Hey GDL you out there? Whats your take?
Also - sport shuai chiao is anything but watered down. True there are limitations created by rules, and you are not to seriously hurt your opponeent - but played right it’s like going to Klingon school.
Originally posted by MonkeySlap Too
Also - sport shuai chiao is anything but watered down. True there are limitations created by rules, and you are not to seriously hurt your opponeent - but played right it’s like going to Klingon school.
From the little I’ve seen, all you need to do to make Sport Shuai Chiao street applicable is take away the mat 
I think I’d have to agree with that too!
Ok so heres an extreme what if:
What if the opponent weighed around 400-500 pounds. How would you handle it?
I’d send him to Jenny Craig.
personally…i would try for a takedown of any kind. if they were that big most likey they’d exhaust themselves within minutes. taking sumo wrestlers into consideration, i’d just run a little faster.
Using Chuei Deng I got a man close to 300 lbs. I was doing lots of horse stance training at the time. I wouldn’t have gotten it except that once he was over halfway, the rest of him flowed and flopped on the mat. It hurt him because of his weight. Still I’m not a big girl,. When I was throwing him, I could feel every little imperfection in my stance as my legs nearly buckled.
I’d probably start chucking Twinkies at him.
yes…good idea…distract him…would they be poison filled ninja twinkies?
that would be totally sweet. then you could totally flip out and cut his head off.
ninjas love to cut people’s heads off
ninjas are so sweet i want to crap my pants.
I’ve tried to eat ninjas, but they keep disapearing.