Ok say it was 2 Fat ba$tards. They’ve surrounded you and your in a pretty narrow alley. Now there not really fast but fast enough to shank you to death.
Whaddya do?
u vs big-dude..
mm, well I’d go for a strike/strikes/kicks/knee/elbow, grab the nearest stick or weapon. Throwing someone that big is tough. But if u have trained for a long time, then it wont be that much of a problem. I’ve seen small guy throw a huge guy completly effortless. (and the big guy did not want to go down 
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my opinion:
The essentials of fighting/combat (whatever you want to call it) are:
throwing
punching
kicking
joint locking/ grappling
pressure points
Shuai Chiao incorporates all of these techniques. Some students/instructor may only become proficient in 2 or 3 of these techniques or all of them.
Some Shuai Chiao tournaments allow chi na (joing locking) in the the execution of a throw only
Shuai Chiao as I am learning is a guard/police art - tournament is good practice in my opinion.
Originally posted by Leonidas
[B]Ok say it was 2 Fat ba$tards. They’ve surrounded you and your in a pretty narrow alley. Now there not really fast but fast enough to shank you to death.
Whaddya do? [/B]
Simple. Just throw one Twinkie at them. Let them fight each other over who gets the Twinkie
Water Dragon -
That plan would never work. Everyone knows twinkies come two to a pack, so that leaves you holding one twinkie. They’ll come after you for it, or if you destroy it you’ve only enraged the bug guys further.
Is this what’s meant by ‘reality training?’
Ahhh Grasshoppa
Listen and learn. The big boxes of Twinkies come individually wrapped. What you must do is remove one Twinkie from the box and carry it with you always. This is called:
I know the opponent (is a big fat azz) but the opponent does not know (that I have a Twinkie on) me 
Ah, bite my golden, creme-filled tube cake!
No, on second thought, don’t.
LMFAO at the Ninja jokes.
Just a thought
“Chu Shum-Shuei and Lee Mei-Shi. Stricken by result less efforts and growing political pressure, they could go nowhere but stay at a Buddhist Temple, therein they taught 3 Samurai students namely, Fukunoshiehile-Wuemon, Mirulayosi Wuemen, and Isomizile Saemon, the Shuai-Chiao techniques, which later on were developed into Judo.”
right off Chicoine’s page…he may be good and the organization and grandmaster legit but PLEASE..how many diff sources of history do we have? I’m sure that the Japanese and Okinawans knew absolutely nothing of fighting until a combined total of 15 chinese practitioners sought refuge in Okinawa or in Japan..thus giving birth to Karate and Judo? I guess when the japanese dropped their weapons on the battlefield they just stood there until someone cut them down? I hate over simplifications like this… there is no doubt of the chinese-japanese connection, but to say that early judo practitioners did not know where to place there strikes or how to throw for damage or that judo was not (at least in large part) derived from jujutsu, is simply promotion rather than fact. Jigoro Kano was an ex jujutsu practitioner who based his judo on refined jujutsu was he not? Judo faught in open full contact bouts against other jujutsu schools did they not? Traditional Judo does in fact know how to strike and block don’t they? I’d say they do..This was more the origins of judo.., not 3 chinese refuge seekers.
p.s- We do everything they do in Mongolian Wrestling because good fighting principals are universal!!!I suspect most of you do too.
Rolling Elbow
There are elements of grappling in Shuai Chiao that are much more advanced than Judo. Of course, there’s elements of grappling in Judo that are much more advanced than in Shuai Chiao. Different arts go in different ways based on their perceived needs and the emphasis they place on that.
I don’t like politics, but I’ll make this comment in a very general tone. I’ve seen this situation pop up in Taijiquan. Most times when you have an acknowledged Master Teacher, he will have senior students. The majority of the senior students work together, maintain contact, and develop the art as best they can. Of course you will have differences, you should. But I tend to get suspicious anytime you have one individual pointing at the group from afar claiming the individual is the only one with the true teachings and the Senior students basically have no idea of the true art. The individual may have skill, but he’s not the only one.
That’s my observation, I wont argue it one way or the other.
You talking about Gene Chicoine. I think he has swollen head syndrome. Hey i dont care, hes not my instructor.
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Hey brothers of Shuai Chiao
Sorry I got to this thread so late..
I have to agree with MonkeySlap on this one.. he said the strikes will set up throws and the throws can and will be followed up with strikes.. and locks and really mean and nasty stuff…
the best phrase my sifu ever said to me is the ground is and never will be forgiving… if you throw a right hook punch at somebodies face.. the opponents head will give… either that or it will end up really messy…if you throw into to the cement what will give… the opponents WHOLE body.. not just his head but everthing from his carples to his meta-carples..
As for weapons on Shuai Chiao.. my instructure focused on “real world” weapons.. (how many people get caught with a sword in hand today).. he does support the gun, knife, and stick (or bat:))
he does bring in many influences from his white crane training also… sometimes we break up the workouts with some long fist weapons.. or just whatever someone is interested in.. I would support the theory that the weapon is just the extension of the body.. all the open hand techniques in Shuai Chiao can be applied to your weapons of choice (diagonal strike, neck suround, to even diagonal pulling).. for butterfly sword… to even 3-section-staff… and I would even suggest NOT practice a given form.. just play with the weapon till you learn what it can do and what it can do for YOU… This will teach you not to focus on just a form but to move without thought and to react to real world situations and to look for weapons in your enviroment… let me leave you with this… the belt that hold up your pants is probably the most effective weapon in todays society…
peace
Greg