I have to apologize to Terence Niehoff. I’ve always accused him of constantly challenging other people to post some vids of their serious martials arts endeavors - while he, Terence, was unwilling to do so himself.
But I just found this vid of Terence and the guys he trains with on youtube. So I’m wrong about that.
Sorry, Terence.
But anyway, WCK guys and gals, here it is. Terence is the first guy, and the rest are his training partners.
[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;945199]I have to apologize to Terence Niehoff. I’ve always accused him of constantly challenging other people to post some vids of their serious martials arts endeavors - while he, Terence, was unwilling to do so himself.
But I just found this vid of Terence and the guys he trains with on youtube. So I’m wrong about that.
Sorry, Terence.
But anyway, WCK guys and gals, here it is. Terence is the first guy, and the rest are his training partners.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5SaNBjLhg&NR=1[/QUOTE]
A little comic relief is always good. 
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;945202]A little comic relief is always good. :D[/QUOTE]
Yes, Victor is nothing but comic relief. 
Hee ya!
Hey!
Ho!!
aaahhhhaaaa!!!
“What kind of wood is this?” huff puff.
lol, that was awesome!
[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;945199]I have to apologize to Terence Niehoff. I’ve always accused him of constantly challenging other people to post some vids of their serious martials arts endeavors - while he, Terence, was unwilling to do so himself.
But I just found this vid of Terence and the guys he trains with on youtube. So I’m wrong about that.
Sorry, Terence.
But anyway, WCK guys and gals, here it is. Terence is the first guy, and the rest are his training partners.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5SaNBjLhg&NR=1[/QUOTE]
LOL. That must be Terrence in the real world !
I understand that Victor and others lack the intellectual skills to rationally argue and can’t marshall evidence to support their views, but it is really sad that all they can do to “retaliate” is try to redicule people with this sort of crap. I could put a photo of a pen1s up and say it was a candid shot of Victor (of course, it would need to be a very small pen1s) but that sort of thing is childish (something most of us got over in high school – though I understand that perhaps some of the people involved in this never finished high school). It’s really sad. And I think it really shows Victor for what he is. It’s just too bad that Victor isn’t smart enough to realize it.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;945314]I understand that Victor and others lack the intellectual skills to rationally argue and can’t marshall evidence to support their views, but it is really sad that all they can do to “retaliate” is try to redicule people with this sort of crap. I could put a photo of a pen1s up and say it was a candid shot of Victor (of course, it would need to be a very small pen1s) but that sort of thing is childish (something most of us got over in high school – though I understand that perhaps some of the people involved in this never finished high school). It’s really sad. And I think it really shows Victor for what he is. It’s just too bad that Victor isn’t smart enough to realize it.[/QUOTE]
The focus is not about Victor here.
We are discussing about You, Terence, the “Blubber” Mouth Kungfu Fighting… + Idiot…
Relax, Terence…and learn how to take a joke! :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;945314]I understand that Victor and others lack the intellectual skills to rationally argue and can’t marshall evidence to support their views, but it is really sad that all they can do to “retaliate” is try to redicule people with this sort of crap. I could put a photo of a pen1s up and say it was a candid shot of Victor (of course, it would need to be a very small pen1s) but that sort of thing is childish (something most of us got over in high school – though I understand that perhaps some of the people involved in this never finished high school). It’s really sad. And I think it really shows Victor for what he is. It’s just too bad that Victor isn’t smart enough to realize it.[/QUOTE]
Why cant you laugh along with the rest of us ?..lighten up dude, i for one thought it was as funny as your red, white, purple whatever ?..chequered flag thread.
If you can dish it out, the least you could do is to take it and laugh along!
Afterall if you dont take it as any reflection on yourself you should be able to see the funny side.
Haha, maybe he can’t take it because it hits too close to home
Why don’t I just laugh along? Well, because Victor’s little “joke” isn’t well-intentioned. It’s not done in a spirit of playfulness but spite. It’s not good-natured humor. He is singling me out BECAUSE he doesn’t like me. He’s just doing what he always does, using personal attacks. This is just another sort of personal attack. It’s not about ideas or views (as my Red and Black Checkered Flag was).
But that’s OK. The sort of things we find amusing says a lot about us. Some people laugh at fat jokes or racial jokes or the like. I’m sure Victor and his cadre find these things amusing. I don’t.
I’m with T.
He preaches what he knows - and that’s what everyone does here.
Plus, over the last couple of threads, he’s been giving some good pointers as to why he has come to the conclusions he has.
It’s not new, but it’s good to have a WC practitioner telling everyone that after the ‘curriculum’ is done, it’s time to move on and use the stuff in the context it was designed for.
I didn’t go to acupuncture school for three years to just keep repeating the same old same old…I started a clinic and learned that DOING acupuncture in a real-world clinic setting is VERY different than what I learned in school.
Fighting in a real-world context is a lot different than what I learned through my Wing Chun curriculum. And I’m all for it - because it helps me streamline the people I train with so they don’t get caught up in the same crap I did for 14+ years.
Waste of Time
This is Martial Arts Forum. WC is about fighting. How is cracking jokes and Insulting Terrence Niehoff Character of any real value. I wouldn’t say that the guy who made this thread is slow or immature. But I would say it shows his moral character. We should try to encourage and lift one another up. No satire or slander others Character.
Its pretty sad that an unproductive thread would be created about Niehoff.
^
It is just that, a community forum. Yes, it’s focal point is martial arts, but it is not governed by that.
How is cracking jokes and Insulting Terrence Niehoff Character of any real value.
Its a forum with a community - We’re all members of that community and as such, part of getting to know each other includes joking around with each other.
You want to argue the value of that? Who exactly are you to ascertain the value of something that is so subjective? The majority of the community here seem to have enjoyed the post, based on the responses. Its sad that you lack the sense of humor to do so as well, or even the concept that such may fall into others sense of humor.
Some people laugh at fat jokes or racial jokes or the like. I’m sure Victor and his cadre find these things amusing. I don’t.
Your logic is flawed. Fat jokes and racial jokes have nothing to do with this kind of joke. Racial jokes can imply an underlying hatred or dislike off a race, meaning just because this can imply an underlying dislike of you, it does NOT imply an underlying hatred for anything BUT you. Meaning it has no implication that he may or may not enjoy those types of jokes.
Speaking of which, there is nothing wrong with enjoying a race-related or weight-related joke. Plenty of great comedians, Sarah Silverman, Chris Rock, and many others have race-related jokes as part of their material. That in itself has nothing to do with racism, real racism goes far deeper than jokes.
Honestly though, you’ve said your piece, if you don’t like the thread you should just move on and forget it exists.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;945452]Why don’t I just laugh along? Well, because Victor’s little “joke” isn’t well-intentioned. It’s not done in a spirit of playfulness but spite. It’s not good-natured humor. He is singling me out BECAUSE he doesn’t like me. He’s just doing what he always does, using personal attacks. This is just another sort of personal attack. It’s not about ideas or views (as my Red and Black Checkered Flag was).
But that’s OK. The sort of things we find amusing says a lot about us. Some people laugh at fat jokes or racial jokes or the like. I’m sure Victor and his cadre find these things amusing. I don’t.[/QUOTE]
Terence, if you feel the “joke” was hurtful, spiteful, etc., then it isn’t funny.
This thread is in poor taste. Why insult and attack a member.
As for jokes concerning racism. Well thats hate. An many people hate david duke just because he white. Also alot of people hated George W. Bush because he was white. An race related jokes about Bush was based on understood hatred for white folks.
If I hate someone or some race why make jokes about them why even verbalize my hatred. If you ain’t got nothin good to say don’t say it all.
So as for the joke towards terrence. Its about Hate. Hating Niehoff…Which I for one hate to see people put others down. To me its arrogant and racist.
I have always hated people that do such things.
[QUOTE=AdrianK;945471]^
It is just that, a community forum. Yes, it’s focal point is martial arts, but it is not governed by that.
Its a forum with a community - We’re all members of that community and as such, part of getting to know each other includes joking around with each other.
You want to argue the value of that? Who exactly are you to ascertain the value of something that is so subjective? The majority of the community here seem to have enjoyed the post, based on the responses. Its sad that you lack the sense of humor to do so as well, or even the concept that such may fall into others sense of humor.
Your logic is flawed. Fat jokes and racial jokes have nothing to do with this kind of joke. Racial jokes can imply an underlying hatred or dislike off a race, meaning just because this can imply an underlying dislike of you, it does NOT imply an underlying hatred for anything BUT you. Meaning it has no implication that he may or may not enjoy those types of jokes.
Speaking of which, there is nothing wrong with enjoying a race-related or weight-related joke. Plenty of great comedians, Sarah Silverman, Chris Rock, and many others have race-related jokes as part of their material. That in itself has nothing to do with racism, real racism goes far deeper than jokes.
Honestly though, you’ve said your piece, if you don’t like the thread you should just move on and forget it exists.[/QUOTE]
Terence,
You spend enormous amounts of time on this forum doing little more than belittling other people, and 3/4’s of the time it’s your own personal biases that color the thinking (ie.- your thinking)…on the posts you make. Not facts or evidence.
And then there’s this: You are guilty of the very same things that you accuse others of doing, ie.- they don’t train realistically, you say, and they can’t prove that they do…but you never prove that you train realistically (ie.- provide visual evidence, such as a vid).
So I provided the vid for you! 
This bothers you?
bawahhhaa! bawahhhaaa! bwaaahhaaa!
Grow up, Terence.
It’s not about ideas or views (as my Red and Black Checkered Flag was
I’m most skeptical that the motivation for that thread’s creation was free of intent to ridicule. Indeed for you to do so would be breathtakingly out of character.
If you want ot lecture people on polite posting (along, it seems, with just about everything else), start with the guy you see in the mirror.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;945481]This thread is in poor taste. Why insult and attack a member.
As for jokes concerning racism. Well thats hate. An many people hate david duke just because he white. Also alot of people hated George W. Bush because he was white. An race related jokes about Bush was based on understood hatred for white folks.
If I hate someone or some race why make jokes about them why even verbalize my hatred. If you ain’t got nothin good to say don’t say it all.
So as for the joke towards terrence. Its about Hate. Hating Niehoff…Which I for one hate to see people put others down. To me its arrogant and racist.
I have always hated people that do such things.[/QUOTE]
You didn’t even respond to any of my points, so why even quote me. Just STFU.
[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;945487]Terence,
You spend enormous amounts of time on this forum doing little more than belittling other people, and 3/4’s of the time it’s your own personal biases that color the thinking (ie.- your thinking)…on the posts you make. Not facts or evidence.
And then there’s this: You are guilty of the very same things that you accuse others of doing, ie.- they don’t train realistically, you say, and they can’t prove that they do…but you never prove that you train realistically (ie.- provide visual evidence, such as a vid).
So I provided the vid for you!
This bothers you?
bawahhhaa! bawahhhaaa! bwaaahhaaa!
Grow up, Terence.[/QUOTE]
You can’t distinguish between being critical of someone’s VIEWS or IDEAS or even their PRACTICES – which, btw, I don’t do to be spiteful or to be nasty (as you are). Exchanges of ideas will involve pointing out flaws in others’ arguements and evidence. That’s not what you are doing.
You keep trying to emotionally blackmail me into doing a video. I’m not going to do any video. Get over it. Nor am I going to go onto bullshido and promise to make one and then not deliver. the people who know me and have met me – like Robert and some others on this forum – know how we train here. They’ve seen it for themselves. But the point isn’t about how I train – it is about how YOU train. Whether your training or not is working is the question. And the only way to see is to get out and do what I keep telling you: go mix it up with some competent fighters.
Everyone who has done that, who has gone and trained with MMA guys or MT guys, and objectively asked themselves if they can do what they train to do against them, pretty much shares the core of what I am saying. The only people who disagree are the people like you – you won’t go outside your bubble and mix it up with competent fighters (inclusing grapplers).
You are either doing the WORK, mixing it up with competent people – or you are not. I don’t expect anyone who is not doing that WORK to understand or grasp anything I’m saying.