Anybody heard of Wudong Wing Shun?

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Canglong,

Jim I can well understand why you would choose to use the words of others to make yourself appear smarter rather than those of your own. However those of us that understand the value of Rolling_Hand’s words as well as the jibberish of Hendrik don’t need you to dicipher who and what makes sense you seem to be having problems in that area you may need to deal with yourself.

I appreciate your reply! You are correct! Who am I to watch out for the newbies. I guess I just dont want to see people go thru what I went thru over the years.

Perhpas I should ingore the 831 empty posts that seem to follow anything said by Hendrik, Rene or others right? Its just too bad those who know dont speak! Words to live by!

:wink:

Regards,

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Originally posted by Rolling_Hand
[B]Originally posted by Hendrik

Hendrik,

1 What is your point of saying “The factual evidents of white crane and emei connection with WCK”???

2 Sometimes a burger may be just a burger, and nothing but a burger. In your case, it is white crane burger. No one here (including RH) tries to eat your burger!

[/B]

1, so that Rolling Hand and others will try everything to destroy it :D.

2, Mac donard will not care if you eat or not at Mac donard.:smiley:

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Originally posted by Rolling_Hand
[B]<<May I ask you what arts (or art) do you feel WC developed from?>>Jim

Hello Jim,

It’s good to see you here. Your question reminds me this…!!!The Ch’an master doesn’t try to solve personality problem, but guides the student with the teachings of Buddhadharma, the methods of practice, lesson No.1 Don’t ask!

But if you really want to know what I feel WC developed from…

Try this,
Do 100,000 times of SNT
Do 100,000 times of CK
Do 100,000 times of BJ
Do 100,000 times of Mook Jong

Then,
Hopefully, you’ll find the answer.

Rdgs

RH [/B]

Chan again? you still owe us you lineage, sifu… in Chan. :smiley:
Until then, no one is going to take you serious

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Hendrik

<<Chan again? you still owe us you lineage, sifu… in Chan. >>HS

Dalai Lama used to say to his disciples, “Unless you have put your lineage in your back yark, you cannot dance with me.”

<<Until then, no one is going to take you serious>>HS

Once Tao is understood, the whole business of psychoanalysis will disappear.

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Re: Hendrik

Originally posted by Rolling_Hand
[B]<<Chan again? you still owe us you lineage, sifu… in Chan. >>HS

Dalai Lama used to say to his disciples, “Unless you have put your lineage in your back yark, you cannot dance with me.”

<<Until then, no one is going to take you serious>>HS

Once Tao is understood, the whole business of psychoanalysis will disappear. [/B]

Rolling Hand,

Using what Dalai lama said is not good. Chan is not Dalai Lama’s field of expertise. and Damo doesn’t has to dance with Dalai.

Damo,
Chan, Chan lineage, Chan patriach…has the say, not Dalai Lama.
So, you don’t have it right?

In Chan. it doesn’t matter one has a white horse or a black horse. the bottom line is if you have a horse show it if you don’t than you dont make believe you have. and by the way that is breaking the precept of Lying.

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hahaha It’s been fun reading all your posts. But ok enough with the Chan folks :slight_smile:

So, Hendrik. What do you think about Wudong WC? Know anything about it?? and please do not answer with a question or any philosophical … you know what I mean.

maybe you too Jim R.

Peace out

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<<Using what Dalai lama said is not good. Chan is not Dalai Lama’s field of expertise. and Damo doesn’t has to dance with Dalai.>>HS

Hey Hendrik, So far all you have done is misquote, or quote out of context, and draw incorrect conclusions. Reread my post before mumbling!!!–RH

<<Damo,
Chan, Chan lineage, Chan patriach…has the say, not Dalai Lama.
So, you don’t have it right?>>HS

Who’s the owner of Ch’an? Nature gave men two ends --one to sit on and one to think with…this is known as the 7/11 of Ch’an. Ch’an has not left any mark on history–Damo, Hei Neng, Dalai Lama, Mao Tse-Dong, Napoleon, Hitler…etc they have their marks on history, but Ch’an??? Hendrik, you’re confused.–RH

<<In Chan. it doesn’t matter one has a white horse or a black horse. the bottom line is if you have a horse show it if you don’t than you dont make believe you have. and by the way that is breaking the precept of Lying.>>HS

Wisdom comes with seeing all things as interconnected and having a reality and value that arises in spite of their temporary nature. The worst violation of the fourth precept, no lying, would be to tell someone that you are a speaker of Ch’an. hahaha…in taking the precepts, you should check yourself in regard to actions and speech. At this point, whether you practice to attain samadhi is another issue.–RH

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There is no Chan. Understand that, and post yourself.

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Using what Dalai lama said is not good. Chan is not Dalai Lama’s field of expertise. and Damo doesn’t has to dance with Dalai.>>HS

Hey Hendrik, So far all you have done is misquote, or quote out of context, and draw incorrect conclusions. Reread my post before mumbling!!!–RH

hi RH,
the question just simply: what is your chan lineage, chan monk sifu,… what is that got to do with Dalai lama? you have it or not? answer yes or no. if yes, then —all the info. no, you don’t know chan and it is ok.

by the way, remember, Dalai Lama is from the Qing side to burn your mighty Shao Lin temple according to the Fact you believe in? you use him as reference? boy, you must be the shao lin treader . pretend to be Shao Lin!

<<Damo,
Chan, Chan lineage, Chan patriach…has the say, not Dalai Lama.
So, you don’t have it right?>>HS

Who’s the owner of Ch’an? Nature gave men two ends --one to sit on and one to think with…this is known as the 7/11 of Ch’an. Ch’an has not left any mark on history–Damo, Hei Neng, Dalai Lama, Mao Tse-Dong, Napoleon, Hitler…etc they have their marks on history, but Ch’an??? Hendrik, you’re confused.–RH

owner or not, if you have a phd from MIT then you have. if you don’t . doesn’t matter MIT own by who. It seems that you don’t understand even basic logic. if you have show you MIT certificated. if not, you are lying to HR and not hire . :smiley:

<<In Chan. it doesn’t matter one has a white horse or a black horse. the bottom line is if you have a horse show it if you don’t than you dont make believe you have. and by the way that is breaking the precept of Lying.>>HS

Wisdom comes with seeing all things as interconnected and having a reality and value that arises in spite of their temporary nature. The worst violation of the fourth precept, no lying, would be to tell someone that you are a speaker of Ch’an. hahaha…in taking the precepts, you should check yourself in regard to actions and speech. At this point, whether you practice to attain samadhi is another issue.–RH

in chan , Wisdom starts with first not lying and not using show business words to divisify a simply question:

what is your chan lineage, chan monk sifu…you have it or not? answer yes or no. if yes, then —all the info. no, you don’t know chan and it is ok.

what is your chan lineage, chan monk sifu…you have it or not? answer yes or no. if yes, then —all the info. no, you don’t know chan and it is ok.

This question being post to you for many many month and you can be just a two year old rolling in the craddle don’t know where you live yet.:smiley:

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Chan Teachings?

what is your chan lineage, chan monk sifu…you have it or not? answer yes or no. if yes, then —all the info. no, you don’t know chan and it is ok.HS

In order to discuss Chan or know Chan…must we first wear the best designer labels?

Regards

CD

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Re: Chan Teachings?

Originally posted by CarlDouglas108
[B]what is your chan lineage, chan monk sifu…you have it or not? answer yes or no. if yes, then —all the info. no, you don’t know chan and it is ok.HS

In order to discuss Chan or know Chan…must we first wear the best designer labels?

Regards

CD [/B]

When one post as a Wck expert,
don’t one needs to learn from a wck sifu and from a wck lineage?

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simple post

originally posted by phenix
When one post as a Wck expert, don’t one needs to learn from a wck sifu and from a wck lineage?
Have you asked everyone here who their sifu is and what lineage they are from before replying or do you just accept that everyone here is practicing wing chun or some form of martial art.

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Re: simple post

Originally posted by canglong
Have you asked everyone here who their sifu is and what lineage they are from before replying or do you just accept that everyone here is practicing wing chun or some form of martial art.

Is it wrong to ask Rolling Hand who post as a Chan expert and Dao sage or whoever claim Chan is in thier WCK lineage where the Chan teaching comes from?

It is a simple post. Is ROlling Hand a real Chan Buddhism follower or not. Yes or no. and if you can answer for him do so . if you can’t let Rolling Hand do it. That simple.

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Re: Re: simple post? No, rude post.

Originally posted by Phenix
[B] Is it wrong to ask Rolling Hand who post as a Chan expert and Dao sage or whoever claim Chan is in thier WCK lineage where the Chan teaching comes from?

It is a simple post. Is ROlling Hand a real Chan Buddhism follower or not. Yes or no. and if you can answer for him do so . if you can’t let Rolling Hand do it. That simple. [/B]

  1. It is a fact (not a claim) that HFYWCK is based on Chan Buddhism. Because you do not study HFYWCK you are in no position to state otherwise. That is plain and simple.

  2. If you’re going through some major mood swings Phenix, don’t take it out on Roger. That post was just rude.

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Re: Re: Re: simple post? No, rude post.

Originally posted by Savi
[B] 1. It is a fact (not a claim) that HFYWCK is based on Chan Buddhism. Because you do not study HFYWCK you are in no position to state otherwise. That is plain and simple.

  1. If you’re going through some major mood swings Phenix, don’t take it out on Roger. That post was just rude. [/B]

Savi,

Thanks but no thanks, I am not interested about HFYWCK and your story and your way of logic.

the question is for the rolling hand.

It is a simple post. Is ROlling Hand a real Chan Buddhism follower or not. Yes or no. and if you can answer for him do so . if you can’t let Rolling Hand do it. That simple.

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Thanks but no thanks, I am not interested about HFYWCK and your story and your way of logic.HS

I am sure that all HFYWCK practioners, will keep this in mind on all your future posts.

Regards

CD

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Nope.

Originally posted by Phenix
[B] Savi,

Thanks but no thanks, I am not interested about HFYWCK and your story and your way of logic.

the question is for the rolling hand. [/B]
You’re not interested in HFYWCK? Then why continue to mention:

whoever claim Chan is in thier WCK lineage
if you aren’t interested? This can only mean two things: you are interested or you are spiteful. Your distaste for this part of reality shows with your choice of words. All your talk about no self and you state the above? You know who the “whoever” is so just state that and let go of your fear.

Your response above shows much of your attachment to self and the “ME vs YOU” type perspective. First of all, I never gave you my story nor am I giving you a biased logic flow. Relax man, the universe is much bigger than you.

Carl, thanks for your understanding and perspective. We seem to see eye to eye.

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Savi,

Ok so you volumtee to present you lineage of Chan and you sifu of Chan buddhism?

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Originally posted by CarlDouglas108
[B]Thanks but no thanks, I am not interested about HFYWCK and your story and your way of logic.HS

I am sure that all HFYWCK practioners, will keep this in mind on all your future posts.

Regards

CD [/B]

It is a free country, why should one force others to read and accept and agree with their view?

Anyone certainly free to ignore, delete, or throw my post into garbage.

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So Now You’re Interested?

Originally posted by Phenix
[B]Savi,

Ok so you volumtee to present you lineage of Chan and you sifu of Chan buddhism? [/B]
So now you’re interested? Alright…

  1. I don’t know what “volumtee” means. Could you explain please?

  2. No explanation will suffice for you, so why should I bother? You’re focusing on things not relevant to Chan. Why? Chan points to an experience beyond words, beyond the materialistic. HFYWCK is founded on Chan teachings, it is not based on who has ‘what’ or who has done ‘this’. You can find our lineage tree on the VTM website.

As far as I know…
To open your perspective a bit, HFY has three basic corners:

  1. combat –> Military & Shaolin; self defense & strategy and tactic
  2. philosophy –> Chan Buddhism; spirituality & practicality
  3. health –> Hei Gung, Faat Ging, Iron body; spirituality & physicality

All three together make up HFY.

From what I know there are many teachers in HFY history who specialized in each area of the system. To only look at one area is to miss the entire picture.

In any case, for something you can relate to better since you like to read - buy the book and it will offer better explanations than I could offer.