Happened on this one, hadn’t seen it posted here, thought it was interesting…any thoughts?
Anyone know these guys?
Don’t know who the guys are..
One thing I’ve learned over the years is not to stay in wrist range, and comitting to an attack at times is better than sitting in no man’s land. These guys are in no man’s land and staying there is not something to do. VEry stiff in there arms and chasing limbs is the norm here.
Look like beginners. Gotta give them credit though for posting it up..
J
stop it , don’t touch me , you might mess up my hair ,:rolleyes:
i didnt watch the whole thing got a bit bored. one thing i dont get is the enter the dragon crossed wrists thing. makes for a cool bit of film but i dont see it as fight applicable at all or even developing good attributes or skill. its not facing and pressureing the centre and its not taking the angle (or blindside take the back whatever)
bit tkd point sparring style too with the kicks and that.
Too darn tentative! Light touch sparring reinforces the “you punch I block, I punch, you block” mentality. No timing or initiative being built here.
You guys have probably seen this one already, but:
That’s the smallest kwoon I’ve ever seen. :eek:
[QUOTE=Chief Fox;701180]That’s the smallest kwoon I’ve ever seen. :eek:[/QUOTE]
That’s what I was thinking.
I’m not wholly impressed with the slap-boxing game either, but as long as it isn’t a ‘replacement’ or ‘alternative’ to more hard contact sparring. If they’re just messin’ around before the real workout, I’d let it slide…but then again, if they had the video set up to tape them slap-boxing (light sparring), where’s the hard sparring video?
Some of their ‘constructive criticism’ in the comments make it even better. :rolleyes:
I posted that one on a different thread, but it wasn’t really discussed.
To me, it looks like a practiced WC’er throwing down with a buddy who can kinda kick like MT/kicboxing (but is obviously not well practiced or is throwing things all sloppy). It reminds me of working WC techs against a mostly compliant (with a little ‘aliveness’) partner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFfhxVmdXZ4&mode=related&search=
Had to post this one…anyone practice this?
Here are two videos someone posted to Youtube from the school I train at, under Sifu Cheng (Lo Man Kam).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85sGwakiDcQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptxaEdDTMcM
(i’m not in them)
Begin opinions … now! 
Youtube is becoming quite the phenomenon that’s for sure.
I must admit that for every decent clip I see there are many more bad clips. Like many things in life the paretto principle prevails. Of course, this is all subjective.
Bad Drill leads to bad habits
That drill would appear to build bad habits even FASTER.
- No sticking hands. Looks like Kenpo hands.
- Flailing with no intention or penetration. Looks like bad Kenpo Hands.
- Leaning the head “out of the way”, leading to “afraid to be hit” and bad posture.
- They are out of contact range to HIT each other.
A boxer or Muay Thai guy will eat you alive with that. He will enter you and pound you out. Somehow I don’t think Lo Man Kam would approve of this.
Here is a much better speed drill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QT34CrQOzk&
Note the difference in posture, structure, intent and drive.
[QUOTE=Whiplash;701489]Here are two videos someone posted to Youtube from the school I train at, under Sifu Cheng (Lo Man Kam).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85sGwakiDcQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptxaEdDTMcM
(i’m not in them)
Begin opinions … now! ;)[/QUOTE]
Try this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HITt_ButfRY&NR
That second clip you posted was just awful.
[QUOTE=Matrix;701492]Youtube is becoming quite the phenomenon that’s for sure.
I must admit that for every decent clip I see there are many more bad clips. Like many things in life the paretto principle prevails. Of course, this is all subjective.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=planetwc;701520]
A boxer or Muay Thai guy will eat you alive with that. He will enter you and pound you out. Somehow I don’t think Lo Man Kam would approve of this.[/QUOTE]
Really? dunno about that … 
[QUOTE=planetwc;701520]… Somehow I don’t think Lo Man Kam would approve of this.[/QUOTE]I thought exactly the same thing.
[QUOTE=Whiplash;701528]Really? dunno about that … :p[/QUOTE]You showed pictures of Lo Man Kam with Sifu Cheng, doing something completely different to the video you posted. How does this show Sifu Lo’s approval of that training method?
The people I’ve trained with from Sifu Lo’s line have been controlled, careful, and structurally very sound. They very rarely lose their head position for just one thing.
I don’t know squat about what Lo Man Kam would or wouldn’t approve of…
…but I have to agree with David (planetwc) regarding the videos, and I think the dudes in the videos he posted had better form and cleaner technique (more real hitting, less slappy-slap;) ).
After seeing the youtube clip referred to on the first post of his thread…
I’ve decided to take up give up wing chun forever. I’ve had enough. I can’t take it anymore. It’s too embarassing. I can’t be associated with anything like this…my self esteem will suffer, and my spirit willl sink into oblivion. I might even get suicidal if this continues… 
Think I’ll take up tennis. :rolleyes:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…BODY FIGHTS LIKE THAT. :eek:
Ok well all head-movement aside, it is a speed drill, as mentioned on the youtube thing, for reaction training etc. It’s not choreographed, so it’s not pretty 
It’s never going to be super perfect form when he’s not choreographed and the opponent doesn’t give up immediately I don’t see perfect form when other people post videos of sparring in the ring, for example.
As for sigung Lo, well he visited recently and didn’t have any objections. Those assumptions are really bizarre, by the way.
I have no idea who your Sifu is, nor have I met him - but through the power of the internet I will speak for him :rolleyes: My black belt in Feng Shui is coming in handy.
[QUOTE=Whiplash;701681]Ok well all head-movement aside, it is a speed drill, as mentioned on the youtube thing, for reaction training etc. It’s not choreographed, so it’s not pretty
It’s never going to be super perfect form when he’s not choreographed and the opponent doesn’t give up immediately I don’t see perfect form when other people post videos of sparring in the ring, for example.[/QUOTE]
On the contrary, the video David posted and the ‘good’ video Bill posted are both examples of a chi sau kind of sparring with good form and technique, and I don’t believe it’s choreographed.
[QUOTE=Whiplash;701681]Ok well all head-movement aside, it is a speed drill, as mentioned on the youtube thing, for reaction training etc. It’s not choreographed, so it’s not pretty :)[/QUOTE]I may be totally off base here, but speed drills that emphasize hand speed at the expense of body stucture might be counter-productive. My understanding is that for proper power development, your upper body should remain in sync with the lower body. You really want to hit with the whole body, not just your hands.