all styles curriculum post.

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hiya all this is a post for everyones individual styles so we can compare differences between similiar styles and just get abetter idea about styles we dont know much about. it works like this name of style , lineage is optional, list of forms and weather they are progressional or can be done in any order, and the styles most famous weapons.

Pak mei
Cheung lai cheun(greatgrandmaster)-chen gwoh wah(grandmaster)-Lee ngai shing(my sifu)-ME lowly student

1st form.greatwar.created by lee ngai shing, basic stepping and turning and basic self defence.

2nd form.straight forward steps,original form of pak mei, chi gung and sinking and floating forces learnt.

3rd form.created by chen gwoh wah. intermediate fighting form introduces 360 degree movement.

4th form dragon form. created by cheung lai cheun from dragon style intermediate fighting form.

5th form. ninesteps push. original intermediate/advanced form emphasing surprise attacks and taking all opportunities to attack.

6th form.eigtheen touches. original advanced uses all palm strikes and lots of anti chin na counters.

7th form.tiger comes out of bush. created by cheung lai cheun,advanced close range fighting techniques.

Famous weapons- the long pole, stool,double swords and the tiger fork.

As some people can see we have no sub jee nor any ground fighting our pak mei is strictly standing striking, no kiking above the bladder and no real chin na, except for those inherrent in the forms, which is quik and usually not used for restraint but ripping and tearing and breaking.

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Ponder!

–There is no technique that speed cannot defeat…

Where is your 6th form then?(Men Foo toot Lim)

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um the 6th form is clearly labled??? eigtheen touches.

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CLOUD ONE
Senior Member

" Ponder!
–There is no technique that speed cannot defeat… "

And getting close enough to the sun one gets vaporized. It is at least unlikely to get that close. It doesn’t necessarilly effectively matter. Yet an interesting (curious) thought.

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Cloud

Bro,
Would you say speed or timing?

Buby

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Buby

Neither!!!

What was the question?

Take no-knows advice;“It doesn’t necessarilly effectively matter”

If there is no technique what is there to defeat?

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Cloud

“If there is no technique what is there to defeat?” - The mind.

The other question was just messing with you.:D(not much to do here at work) I should be up on msn soon. I look forward to chatting again.:slight_smile: Take care bro!

Buby

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Buby!

How’s it going bro! Let me know when you get MSN up a work. Look for me… it’s about the only time I have to chat lately…:frowning:

Sui-Fuw

Where aaarrrreeee uuuuuuuu? This would appear to be one of your areas of expertise:D

L8r

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Feldor the Great!

Whats up my brother? How’s life and training going?

Yeah man, I’m hoping to be back on by this weekend. Once I’m up and running again I’ll holla at ya for sure.

I’m thinking of heading your way in about a month or so. I’m hoping to hook up with you to do some training. I’ll be visiting family, so I’m counting on you bro to get me out the house.:smiley: HELP ME PLEASE…HELP ME!!!:smiley:

Take care bro,
Buby

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Buby the amazing!

Let me know when. Lots of busy stuff with work and home between now and August. I also have some work trips coming up…:frowning: Not nearly enough training time…too busy…

I’d like to hook up if possible.

Cheers!
Charles:cool:

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Bro

Yea, I’m pretty amazin ain’t I?:smiley: Just don’t tell sifu, cause he’s the jealous type.:smiley: D@mn it sifu…Who loves you babe?:smiley: And don’t say Feldor.:eek: :smiley:

How far are you from Tampa? I’ll try for after August.

Take care bro,
Buby

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Sui

What would you like to know, Reality or wishful dreams? And which ones? :slight_smile:

Confusing enough?..:smiley:

You can PM me if you like. :slight_smile: I’m boring though…:frowning:

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Well i thought it was wishful thinkin to post that idea of mine about each others curriculums, guess i was right.
Isnt there anyone out there who isnt paranoid about there secret style that they wanna post what they learn in class, granted clf has over 100 forms but still the first 10 or so could give others an idea about what to expect if learning the style, what about wing chun and southern preying mantis there must be someone who can post what they have to learn in thier respective curriculums/styles.

I must say u gotta be pretty bored or just like to stir if u start pickin at peoples quotes.

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Hey feldor,
I just checked your profile, and saw that you are three weeks older then me!
You old git!!!:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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Colin

Ehhhh?..What’s that sonny?..speak up, I can’t he ya!

Where’s my walking stick?..:smiley: :smiley:

Us old guys age well like fine wine!..:cool:

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That’s pretty bad how you guys hijacked this thread!.

TOD> i wish i could help you with what i study, but i’m only beginner status within the fightclub"applying my kungfu in realfight- i can kickbox, but i couldnt pull off the chinna aspects in a RealComp, wich the sad thing is from most i have seen, most socalled advanced kffighters cant pull it off either:) "
I actually hoped people who actually know thier stuff!, would build on this topic with you?.

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okay here goes; my Siu Lum Hung Kuen(Hung-Ga) Curriculum

  1. basic ten step step and turning set
  2. 16 step dragon movement
  3. ma bo-and footwork for basic lion dance
  4. Moi Fa Sup Fu Kuen (although this was originally designed as a bridge between gung-ji fook fu and fu hok seung ying kuen, we teach it as a beginner set due to it’s short sequence, and solid foundation.) consists of All tiger techs, attacking, trapping, counter trapping,emergancy bridging techniques, converging energy, whole body power, foa/chum
  5. sam jien kuen-basic iron body development, hei-gung,trapping, vital point striking,segmented power issuing,kiu-sao/chi-sao
  6. Lau Ga Kuen-hei-gung(washing the spine, sacral/cranial pump, pumping the lymphatic system)short strikes, silk reeling, joint locking,many sweeps, takedowns-tun/toi
  7. eyebrow height double ended staff-footwork, connection, joiint locking, power development
  8. Gung Ji Fook-Fu Kuen-lin gung,hei-gung,symetry,hoi/hop, fundamentals, bridges, splitting, and drilling energy, etc
    9)hung yuet or fu mei dahn dao) Ng Ying Kuen-village Hung Kuen
  9. 5 animal set-introduces techniques,tactics, mind-set, and spirit of the 5 animals
  10. Fu Hok Seung Ying Kuen-further exploration of various energies, gings, short-hand techniques,refinement of technique
  11. Ng Long Bot Gwa Gwun-power development, long and short range tactics, multiple opponents,joint locking
    13)Ng Ying Kuen-more in depth than previous 5 animal set, heavy emphasis on dragon
    14)ji mo seun dao-symetry, active footwork, bridging,continuous attacks,empty hand application from hell
  12. Tiet Sien Kuen-internal set-hei gung, lin gung,12 bridges,fun gun, bei-hei,dim yuet,jaw guat
    along with the sets, there are drills, self-defense applications,and fighting techniques,throws, etc extracted from each of the corresponding sets which are required for each rank level.

this is beginner to intermedate-equivilent of first degree black-in a nutshell-there is alot more, but I was being very brief in my descriptions
second, third, fourth, and fifth will require a book
some people might think I’m giving away all my ‘secrets’, and people will try to steal my curriculum. Fine. Let them.My curriculum isn’t all that special or original, I owe alot to Sifu Yee and others from whom I’ve studied. Simply reading a list of forms doesn’t make a system, it doesn’t even scratch the surface. besides, sharing is good. We all grow and learn from each other.

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TenTigers- I was wondering if you could describe some things for me because i’m trying to understand where you are coming from with the Lau Gar Kuen set.

I’ve always been under the impression that this was mainly a fighting set, with very little developmental hei gung, outside of differentiating between gung and yau chi. The rest is mainly ging based concepts, etc.

So could you talk about the spine washing, silk reeling, etc? Like which faht contain these things? Cuz i’m just not seeing it, especially when the form can be done in less than a minute.

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Hung-Ga sets bring up ideas, concepts, topics for discussion, so to speak. So, if it takes minutes, it doesn’t mean you can’t extract a section and perform it for hours. In the set I learned, there is a section (which a former Sifu took out-I guess he knew better;-) which has the fists comming up the center, then opening up to the sides- this is washing the spine/cranial-sacral pump. It is a very profound exercise which pumps the cerebral spinal fluid, and the lymphatic system. In the set it is done once with small body movement-simply mapping the set. It is done in greater detail by closing the body and rounding the back, then opening the arms,and arching the spine. The stance can be in yee ji kim yeung ma. It is accompanied by breathing, later packing and release is used. The silk reeling is all through the set, from the opening of the arms into the pow choy, to the winding, circular palm strike. Then again, the set I was taught might be different than yours. It has similarities to the set I’ve seen others do, such as Wing Lam, and other Lam Sai-Wing schools, but also has subtle differences.

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Well, i can see where you are coming from with that, but i’m not sure its totally a focus in the form, especially if you are staying true to Lau Gar faht. To play Lau Gar Kuen with hung gar ging is actually defeating the purpose.

If your version is pretty close to the ones you mentioned, then its the same one i do. So that is whats confusing me. The move you described is quite different really, on an internal level. Mainly moving from wu chi to tai chi, and focusing on the gung ging in the uppercut. The stuff you described sounds way to new agey to be honest, almost right out of a Mantak Chia book. Too much sacral pump and packing stuff, doesn’t stay true to the Lau Gar faht IMO.

I can totally see what you mean by extracting something from the form and working on it solely to develop the skill. But even then, doing the same faht from Lau Gar in Yee Gee would defeat the purpose of the technique and would deviate from the faht ging.

Peace:D