is it true that there is no striking in aikido?
if that is true then aikido has to be the worst style to train in. How can you defend yourself if you dont even know how to throw a proper punch.
I do think that it would be valuble to learn aikido to add to your art, but aikido by itself doesnt make much sense.
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Punching someone isn’t a self-defense technique. Stopping someone from punching you is a self defense technique. I’ve messed around with some aikidoka, and they can definitely defend themselves.
If you’re just spouting off second hand knowledge without any experience, you probably ought to bite your tongue and think about what you’re doing.
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i dont know
i met some kid the other day, and from what he was showing me, aikido does not seem to have the tools to make a good fighter. Of course he never claimed it did, but he was confident in his abilities to defend himself. I was so tempted to just throw some REAL punches at him, just to show him that the theories he believes in are harder to pull off than he thinks.
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eh!
There are several strikes in aikido…
‘atemi’ is a very important part of applying many aikido techniques.
There is at least 1 basic atemi and If I recall correctly, several intermediate and advanced type of atemi.
Although most aikido persons would rather throw and lock you, and then talk trash in your ear while your on the ground.
etc
strike!
You should find out for yourself.
Find a good aikidoka (there are many) and “throw punches”. I did, and now I study aikido.
It is not true that aikido does not have any strikes, in the same way that it is not true that aikido has no neck breaks, arm bars, or other more jiujitsu like techniques. They have been converted into safer meathods of application in practice, but they are still present.
Glad you think aikido doesn’t work. Many of the best aikidoka thought the same.
“She ain’t got no muscles in her teeth.”
Hey DW, I took aikido for several months and never ‘saw the way’. Wanted to add some softness to
At first it’s very choreographed. The higher ranking students were much more skilled than the beginners like me. It was very hands on. Lots of rolling around and slapping the matt. Lots of wristlocks and arm bars. Very little striking and typically after your opponent was already down and ready to submit.
There were some great benefits though. Moving with the attack and accepting it gracefully was difficult but when done properly, looked and felt great! You can feel how helpless your opponent is when you do the techniques correctly.
Just wasn’t my cup of tea. I prefer Chin Na with my TKD.
Godzilla
it seems like you are talking about aikijujitsu. I know that sysem has strikes and practical technique. But from what i’ve heard aikido has no strikes, breaks or anything like that. It’s theory is to redirect your opponents energy to defend yourself without doing harm to your opponent. I guess what i have heard is wrong?
Godzilla
i agree that it would be a good art to crosstrain in.
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Well, like many martial arts, Aikido has some good and a hell of allot of bad instructors and practitioners.
My only “beef” with Aikido is it’s ridiculous learning curve. I have often found a 5 year Aikidoka as a worse fighter than someone with no training. But the 10 year Aikidoka (assuming he’s in a good school and does some real Randori) are usually very competent in self defense.
As far as striking, the idea that Aikido has no striking seems very counter to the whole idea of Aikido to me. There are definately times that an Aikidoka will strike a nerve on the arm, shoulder, or strike a chest or forehead to complete a throw.
I’ve met a couple of good, practical Aikidoka. But the vast majority of the ones I’ve found seem to be sadly confused. Especially the ones that depend on “pain compliance” to make their techniques work. But beware of the ones who have watermellons for wrists.
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Godzilla
Well aren’t all martial arts choreographed? Exept muay thai or something like that which is all fighting. Karate has in the very beginning the sambon gumites while kung fu has too, for example sam saos. Self-defense needs choreography to be able to intercept the fist the correct way. By practicing choreographed movements, one knows the movements in a real situation and knows how to use them properly.
Aikido may be used in a meathod similar to aikijujitsu.
Aikido itself reflects a desire in the practitioner to disable an attacker without causing any serious damage (hence the “lack of strikes”). The pratictioner does not want to use force to apply technique, but rather the force or intent of this opponent draws the technique from him/her. So, instead of seeking the fastest most effective way of learning to apply techniques, the aikidoka must keep these principals in mind and work towards that goal…and the ridiculously long learning curve is derived, as least partially, from the burden of the general philosophy.
Aikido is an art born from philosophy as much as it is from self defense. If you are looking for straight combat, you may not find it satifying. As the soke of Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu once said, the difference bewteen aikijujitsu (and other combat oriented arts) and aikido is that aikijujitsu is a system of effective combative techniques that leads to philosophical understanding of self and personal development, whle aikido is an art of philosophical understanding and personal development that leads to effective combat techniques.
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Lyle
nicely put
For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)
Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)
japanese jujitsu the way it was taught to me said that they did not teach any strikes. they did teach throws and locks (breaks)
i thought it was a bit dumb. but then what do i know.
All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.
Yoshinkan Aikido utilizes strikes in its entries, and for ‘atemi’. But it is not inherently a striking art.
I tend to agree with JWT’s assesment.
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An old joke about Aikido practitioners:
“What is the main tenet of Aikido?”
“We are superior to everybody else.”
To get it, you need to be watching an Aikido guy try to fumble his way through a BaGua or Xing Yi class, and listen to the justifications about his understanding of ‘internal’.
Just a behavorial observation.
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There are strikes in aikido, and there are lots and LOTS of breaks.
The idea that aikido has evolved to deal with attackers without hurting them is a philosophy of a limited number of schools of aikido - not of aikido itself.
Aikido was originally designed to be extremely brutal. Some organizations (notably the Yoshinkan) have kept this training alive.
I think Akido was meant to disable the practitioners without hurting them seriously. Akido’s ok, from what my friend who took it says it is heavy into the budo aspect of JMA and that it’s main focus is to build the proper character through the training. Similar to old Shaolin training becoming a good fighter is an extra. The lack of strikes in JMA grappling arts could be due to the fact that swords were heavily used and the unarmed techniques were a backup in case you possibly lost your weapon so you could recover. Okinawa arts are heavy with striking because the lack of weapons they had but this is just my guess based on my limited knowledge of JMA.
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come on! - what’s wrong with all of you!
aikido is not about self defense/fighting.
(i don’t care what steven segal says/thinks.)
it’s about ‘harmonizing’, and making all lovey dovey like; dontchaknow.
why do people have such a hard time understanding that?
… and come on… bagua is not a martial art either. - it’s just a cultic ritual meditation / trance practice that involves walking around in a circle. - like the whirling dervishes, or the moonies or the faulun dafa groups with their standing practices.
get a grip, people…
sheesh! - i should go around giving seminars on the martial applications of the macarena!
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Aikido has strikes in it. Go and get a copy of Ueshiba’s book “Budo” and look through the pictures, you will see him striking many pressure points with a middle knuckle fist before doing the throw or lock.
Aikido used to be very effective, but there was a top instructor under Ueshiba who thought that it should JUST be a vehicle for harmony and made all the techniques all lovely dovey with no atemi. I studied (for a very short time) under an instructor who taught pressure points and atemi in his aikido, but some of his other blackbelts would tell you that it wasn’t aikido-like. So even in the same schools opinions differ on this matter. This same instructor got one of his students because the guy was a street fighter and went in all the area dojos and challenged the instructors, he wanted to learn from someone who couldn’t beat him, and after beating a bunch of the other instructors he lost to the aikido master.
But, I agree with what JWT said. It takes a REALLY long time to become good enough to use it right for the street.
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I’ve only seen one good Aikido fighter ever. He was VERY good IMO, he was also the instructor at the school I visited. Most of his students on the other hand were pretty clueless when it came to fighting. Any time I threw a REAL punch they had no idea what to do.
Grappling insanity
was the only style he studied aikido?
For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)
Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)