It is rapidly becoming obvious what techniques I will want to learn in the future.
Lyle,
What do you mean by last post?( It is rapidly becoming clear…) I didn’t understand
Go forward, my son, and
be like unto a torch
upon the darkness. Thou
are stripped now, of all
that was before. Look
not to thy fellow men
for guidance or
countenance- they canst
advise you no longer.
Thou shalt be as dust
now, and dust shall be
upon the tongues of thy
enemy. Verily, thou
shalt herald the coming
of the new age upon
man."
MaFuYee, I would like to cordially invite you to attend one of my classes in Baguazhang the next time you’re in the Oklahoma City/Norman area of Oklahoma (you’ll probably have to lose a bet or something to have reason to come here, I realize).
This is not in any way meant to be an insinuation of threat or challenge; I don’t do challenge matches. If you are sincere in your belief regarding Bagua, and not just flaming, I would be happy to demonstrate some of the applications of my art to you. It is my opinion that you are at least incorrect in your assessment and probably ignorant of what Baguazhang is. I would appreciate the opportunity to either provide you with education and/or change your mind, whichever is applicable.
BTW, your profile mentions your art of choice as Lo Chi Chuan. As I am unfamiliar with that particular name, would you mind providing a description of your art and especially, its origins, both philosophically and in terms of combative techniques? Your time is appreciated. 
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“I think Akido was meant to disable the practitioners without hurting them seriously.”
I practise Yoshinkan. My 6th dan instructor once confidentally told me “Aikido is murder”! We are known as the “hard-hitting style” Mostly it’s a simultaneous block and strike for an attack, or a sidestep entering and atemi strike to the vitals, like clotheslining the throat and dumping the attacker on his head going backward.
Another instructor said: “They don’t block, that’s it, game over”, no need to throw, no fancy stuff. If it’s just a stun you can break wrist, arm, collarbone, back, finger, just one or underline multiple choices : in one move.
Sure in practice, Nage (technique person) tries not to hurt Uke (attacker) and Uke spends his energy protecting himself.
Aikido IS about control. But that control is designed to hurt people very viciously. It’s wonderful just to slip grabs in social situations or lock up an out of control person, but in serious street defence it’s not likely.
Think about it. It takes years and levels of graded skill increments for uke (the attacker in practice) to learn how not to be hurt when he is thrown. An inexperienced person has no hope. He will be wrecked. Every Uke to the Great Sensei Shioda, thought they were taking their life in their hands when they played uke to him. Some got wrecked even at that level.
Also about how “gentle” Aikido practice is? Well we consider the 3 browns before black as the color of the body bruising. Brown and above is physical purgatory. The senseis expect you to really toughen up starting this period and they don’t take it easy on you.
I’ve got a friend who studies Aikido. He’s on the brown belt before black. I know that sounds silly, but they have a couple of them I think. Anyway, he’s teaching his kids Aikido. Not because it’s a super MA or anything, not because it teaches the way (which I believe it does teach part of the way), but simply because if they get in a fight in school and win it, they can’t have been the ones to throw the 1st punch!!!
Plus he figures that if they don’t know how to attack, they probably won’t.
Good idea?
“Through strength, learn gentleness. Through gentleness, strength will prevail”
Using Aikido
I heard an 8th dan Sensei tell his kenshu class: “If i think i will be attacked i will hit”.
(not wait).
Aikido has many techniques in which Nage ( the technique doer) strikes first, then when uke blocks, Nage unbalances him, joint locks him, throws him and leaves a crumbled mess.
(Anyway don’t tell that kids’ father 
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Well, i know many teachers told me they like Aikido, they can hurt, punish, silence and control the kids without LEAVING ANY MARKS!!! They say Aikido is a gift from Heaven!! 
Another instructor said: “They don’t block, that’s it, game over”, no need to throw, no fancy stuff. If it’s just a stun you can break wrist, arm, collarbone, back, finger, just one or underline multiple choices : in one move.
It’s statements like that that give Martial Artists and Martial Arts a bad name. How about if you miss? What if it DOESN’T WORK?
I’m not denying effectiveness, I’m denying this thought of the one strike kill. Preposterous. Can it happen? YES. Should you rely on it? Not if you value your life.
Clarification
Hey Merryprankster, i think you misunderstand the technique.
What if you miss? Listen he grabs your wrist (for instance). so you simultaneously shift, extend your grabbed hand, shift your body and backfist to his nose. Now if you can’t find his nose, maybe you are blind, ok?
However if you do happen to find it and he doesn’t block, he will probably be dropped or at least stunned and let go. If he blocks (the expected response) the situation converts into unbalancing, grappling, joint-locking and throwing.
There are many more. If it was a sidestrike, you might be blocking with one hand and backfisting to the nose bridge, or upper-cuttig with the other.
It’s not a one strike kill. It can be a stun or a knockdown or a set-up.
Best you look at some videos, i can’t do so many words.
Good book to read is “Angry White Pyjamas”, (cant remember the author) about an english language schoolteacher who decides, for some stupid reason, to undergo the Japanese Riot Police Aikido training course.
It is brutal. The descriptions of the bruises, and the conditioning are fascinating. Strikes are certainly a part of that curriculum, but they seemed to be forearm smashes, if I remember correctly.
The chalice from the palace has the pellet with the poison,
The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!
Funny you should make a topic like this…
It’s not helping my ego any, I just got my arse handed to me by an aikido guy today…He surprised the hell outta me, never seen somebody who was so good at not being hit.
Take the pebble
from my hand
“You ain’t the only one
who knows some sh*t”
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haha lowsweep. What happened?
Dragon,
I cant really remember the name. But it did start with a Y. Hope that makes a little bit of sense.
Sheisters!
I ordered that Seagal video “Aikido: A Path Beyond…” or whatever it’s called on Stevie’s web site and never received a damn thing! After 5 months I’ve given up. I wanted to see his training in Japan under that elf dude O-Sensei Ueshi…Ueshiba, or whatever, and was anticipating some old school MAs stuff.
I guess they saw my password was “MatsumuraHakutsuru” and got scared! They have a dojo on Okinawa where they can steal Tuite techs from the dudes left around to teach it, then pass it off as Aikido! I dunno, maybe I’m bitter at the money-grubbing fat boy, but for a man of his stature to not know what is going in his benevolent corporation is just unfathomable to me!
Aikido now sucks forever to me, and IMHO if you want to learn REAL grappling learn Judo or BJJ. Forget all that mind control scheistershitt! Seagal is robbin’ from the poor and giving to the rich! Another wolf in sheeps clothing… Where’s the wolfhounds???
The way I see it, the mere fact that Steven Seagal practices aikido is more than reason enough to hate the entire friggin’ style
lol … :rolleyes:
on Aikido:
I think that if you want to be a good fighter very quickly, its wrong for you. I think it is an beautiful MA!! I have never trained it but I think that it would be cool to add some of it to my Kung Fu.Shuai Shiao is a great part of my Kung Fu, u could say that we spend 60 /40 (Kung Fu / SS). But Aikido is much different from Shuai Shiao I think. It is always good to have something different up your sleeves when fighting. it gives an element of surprise too.
Aikido cross-trained with Judo would be cool I think…Hmmm what’s your oppinion on this mix
~K~
“maybe not in combat… but think of the chicks man, the chicks!”