Hey Spencer,
Im curious about this…
“I supervised a few students of Operatic Wing Chun who had a heavy Mantis influence…”
Who were you referring to?
Suki
[QUOTE=Wu Wei Wu;1096256]Hey Spencer,
Im curious about this…
“I supervised a few students of Operatic Wing Chun who had a heavy Mantis influence…”
Who were you referring to?
Suki[/QUOTE]
I think you know this Suki 
A certain (very private!) Sifu from Hung Suen who visited mine back in the day before he sadly passed away. His No.1 student was a gent called ‘Bruce’ Leeder (forgive the spelling!)
He and some students trained with us all for our performance in front of the Queen, but they dropped out towards the end… 
Spencer,
Thanks for clarification.
I have no comment with regards to Bruce.
And yes, my sifu was a very private man indeed.
Suki
[QUOTE=Wu Wei Wu;1096475]Spencer,
Thanks for clarification.[/QUOTE]
No probs Suki.
Would you agree with me on the Mantis influence? I only mention it because that’s what I saw at the time… STRONG stuff whatever it was (there was Wing Chun in there too!)
Spencer,
Opera Wing Chun = mainly dragon and crane. continued to evolve on Junks and influenced by other systems. there is mantis influences like gow choi (phoenix eye hammer fist).
So yes.
Suki
[QUOTE=Wu Wei Wu;1096639]Spencer,
Opera Wing Chun = mainly dragon and crane. continued to evolve on Junks and influenced by other systems. there is mantis influences like gow choi (phoenix eye hammer fist).
So yes.
Suki[/QUOTE]
True. In the lineage that I practice the phoenix eye and I believe the dragon fist, as well as the hammer fist are used.
It’s great to see these animals represented in Wing Chun, as I too learnt Snake, Crane, Tiger, Leopard and Dragon. Other systems replace the Dragon with Monkey, but the Drangon is definitely connected more to the Opera/Red Junks.
Hmmm… I feel another thread coming on
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1096209]From where exactly? Yik Kam lineage? Again, if you aint seen it then your just speculating like everyone else.
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Historically, according to the “actual” Cho Family in Nga Wu, Poon Yee, China, our Wing Chun is traced back to the Cantonese Opera (Ban Chung / Hei Ban), both on the boats and in Guongzhou, via Cheng Dan Kam (Yik Kam). Historically it is not known from whom Yik Kam learnt the art hence any history before him is considered as legend.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1096707]It’s great to see these animals represented in Wing Chun, as I too learnt Snake, Crane, Tiger, Leopard and Dragon. Other systems replace the Dragon with Monkey, but the Drangon is definitely connected more to the Opera/Red Junks.
Hmmm… I feel another thread coming on ;)[/QUOTE]
In the more advanced stages of my school we are taught to lap using the Tiger Claw.
Attacks, such as claw attacks to the throat are also taught.
[quote=sanjuro_ronin;1095418]facing an opponent not going back ( not having strategic retreating footwork) is one of the best things that can happen to a grappler, lol !
Silly not to have the ability to hit while retreating.
Look at lidell and many others that can even ko a guy while moving back.
Why not have the weapon in your arsenal?[/quote]
+10000000000000.
[QUOTE=FongSung;1096728]Historically it is not known from whom Yik Kam learnt the art hence any history before him is considered as legend.[/QUOTE]
Wow! I wasn’t aware of that! So thanks for sharing. 
Meaning there are records of Yik Gam teaching & leaving in Nga Wu but no written records on who taught him only oral transmission.
[QUOTE=shawchemical;1097647]+10000000000000.[/QUOTE]
Wing chun does have footwork that is designed for that-
joy chaudhuri
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Wing chun does have footwork that is designed for that-
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Actually, IMO, there is a Maxim for it - but it gets a little messed.
“Never step back.” That’s incorrect. It’s supposed to be “Never step STRAIGHT back.” Ergo: step back and to the side (or elsewhere).
It’s a fundamental defense tactic that was taught to me in the boxing gym, too. I was taught to never step straight back, but back and to the side/circle/slip/bob and weave/etc. Cause when my opponent comes charging in with those straight lefts and rights, I’m way too easy to track if I move back in a straight line.
Best,
CTK
[QUOTE=couch;1098077]Actually, IMO, there is a Maxim for it - but it gets a little messed.
“Never step back.” That’s incorrect. It’s supposed to be “Never step STRAIGHT back.” Ergo: step back and to the side (or elsewhere).[/QUOTE]
That won’t do any good. There are kung fu styles, including Wing Chun that teach you to have the directional flexibility and force exertion skills to follow and over-run your opponent, even if they are angling back wards.
So, as far as my kung fu experience is concerned, we are told not to go back period! One goes “back”, only in emergencies, but not as a matter of defensive habit.
Anyway, that is what I have been taught.
[QUOTE=couch;1098077]It’s a fundamental defense tactic that was taught to me in the boxing gym, too. I was taught to never step straight back, but back and to the side/circle/slip/bob and weave/etc. Cause when my opponent comes charging in with those straight lefts and rights, I’m way too easy to track if I move back in a straight line.
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That makes sense too.
[QUOTE=couch;1098077]Actually, IMO, there is a Maxim for it - but it gets a little messed.
“Never step back.” That’s incorrect. It’s supposed to be “Never step STRAIGHT back.” Ergo: step back and to the side (or elsewhere).
It’s a fundamental defense tactic that was taught to me in the boxing gym, too. I was taught to never step straight back, but back and to the side/circle/slip/bob and weave/etc. Cause when my opponent comes charging in with those straight lefts and rights, I’m way too easy to track if I move back in a straight line.
Best,
CTK[/QUOTE]
I think what Joy was referring to was “bracing”. It’s where you essentially just pivit on the heel of your lead foot if your in a facing stance and brace backwards to deflect incoming force. And it can be used in a “straight” line back if necessary. If you YouTube search “wing chun -the ultimate demonstration” you can see it there in Augustine fongs demo.
I’m actually curious if any other lineages have this footwork?
[QUOTE=mvbrown21;1098081]I think what Joy was referring to was “bracing”. It’s where you essentially just pivit on the heel of your lead foot if your in a facing stance and brace backwards to deflect incoming force. And it can be used in a “straight” line back if necessary. If you YouTube search “wing chun -the ultimate demonstration” you can see it there in Augustine fongs demo.
I’m actually curious if any other lineages have this footwork?[/QUOTE]
can you pinpoint the moment in the clip for me ?
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1098082]can you pinpoint the moment in the clip for me ?[/QUOTE]
Around :36-:38, he only uses it for a few seconds, they both use it before that but it’s part of the video where you can’t see their feet but you can tell by their hips
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1098082]can you pinpoint the moment in the clip for me ?[/QUOTE]
You know what, you can see it better probably in the video titled “Chi Sao between student and teacher, 4th annual WCWC seminar” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0u3IFLCrBU&feature=channel_video_title you can see forward and backwards bracing there
Thanks ! I watched both.