Basically you were talking down to different people on this forum saying they were scrubs and fought nobodies but their shadows and now we find out you have only worked out with WC vs WC and never fought anyone??? hahaha :eek:
Uh hum!!! When did I say that I only worked out VT against VT Jim lad??? I have enough fighting experience outside of VT. Why broadcast it on a WC forum? I have worked out with other MA’s with the view that if I meet somebody or a certain style that I think can make me improve more than WSLPBVT then I would follow that way. It hasn’t happened yet.
While it is quite clear to stated that Boxers train vs other boxers and MT fighter train VS other MT fighters, there is also a difference.
First off, neither is training for “the street”, but lets put that aside for now.
The real difference is that boxers and MT fighters are presented with what they typically WILL see in a real fight, same for MMA fighters.
That is NOT the case with the typical WC fighter.
The reason that boxing and MT translate do well into “the street” or outside their “comfort zone” is because they work natural, gross motor skills and work them very well.
In other words, boxers become natural fighters based on how the body naturally fights.
That is not the case with typical WC when trained VS typical WC.
When was the last time any saw some one attack another person on the street with a vertical punch or from a “chi sao” position? or coem at them with a “WC guard”?
Yet that is what WC fighters train against more often than not.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1095678]…because THAT Ving Tsun lineage is NOT typical![/QUOTE]
Well, thank god for that!
Hey, just kidding.
The fact is. If you are happy with what you do, and can make it work, then that is great and at the end of the day, it is what really matters as far as your own path is concerned.
You have to however, appreciate why others may do it different from you, specially if they are using VALID TCMA concepts and strategies!
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1095731]Well, thank god for that!
Hey, just kidding.
The fact is. If you are happy with what you do, and can make it work, then that is great and at the end of the day, it is what really matters as far as your own path is concerned.
You have to however, appreciate why others may do it different from you, specially if they are using VALID TCMA concepts and strategies![/QUOTE]
This is the nicest thing you have posted since (several times) going on your diatribe that you have only the true Wing Chun with real lineage that is the most complete.
F*** all that BS about who has the real Wing Chun. What you said is truth:
“The fact is. If you are happy with what you do, and can make it work, then that is great and at the end of the day, it is what really matters as far as your own path is concerned.”
[QUOTE=couch;1095735]This is the nicest thing you have posted since (several times) going on your diatribe that you have only the true Wing Chun with real lineage that is the most complete.[/QUOTE]
Can you show me where I have said that I “have only the true Wing Chun…etc.”?
The fact is that most people who practice “kung fu” in this forum, are happy with what they do. Even those who cross train their kung fu to “improve” :rolleyes: it are happy as well. However, the fact remains that most people who train kung fu are not training it as genuine TCMA, but an empty, or almost empty shell.
This is the result of the effect of the Mcdojo phenomenon on the TCMAs and it effects over 95% of the kung fu schools out there, but again, if people are happy with what they are doing, then I am happy for them, specially if they can make it work in a combat or self defense situation. However, this does not mean that they are all practicing authentic TCMA methodologies.
F*** all that BS about who has the real Wing Chun. What you said is truth:
[QUOTE=couch;1095735]“The fact is. If you are happy with what you do, and can make it work, then that is great and at the end of the day, it is what really matters as far as your own path is concerned.”[/QUOTE]
Very true. Some people choose the kung fu path, others choose the Karate path and yet others who choose a cross training and/or MMA path.
The secret is in recognizing one’s path, and not refer to it as something which it isn’t.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1095561]In my opinion you practice a modern version of Wing Chun, as a result you have missed out on the kung fu essence of the style, and have ended up a kind of central line theory influenced kick boxing.
Nothing wrong with that by the way, except for the fact that it will limit your capability to hold credible discussions regarding authentic TCMA methodologies.
By the way, that does not necessarily say that you can´t fight, or that you are weak, etc. It just says that you lack authentic TCMA experience.[/QUOTE]
Are you able to show this fantastic “authentic TCMA experience” working in a real or competitive situation? Didn’t think so… :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1095561]You do realize that Joe Rogan is talking about the same kind of kung fu schools that I am talking about, don’t you?
Yes, he is talking about the majority Mcdojo types that most people study and learn “kung fu” fighting, without roots, body unity, short power, sensitivity and softness and so on.
Unfortunately for Rogan however, he has not experienced real TCMA training, but that is fine too, because most people haven’t, so it is unlikely that he will be called on his kung fu clueless assumptions… [/QUOTE]
You know, you’re right - he did not mean all those schools claiming having authentic knowledge from genuine mountain hermits and that never compete as their art is too deadly… and too authentic! He meant all those crappy schools that honestly showcase their skill through competitive comparison!
[QUOTE=Buddha_Fist;1095852]Are you able to show this fantastic “authentic TCMA experience” working in a real or competitive situation? Didn’t think so… :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I guess you are yet another one who has absolutely no clue as regards authentic
TCMA training, but again, if you are happy with what you are practicing then I am happy for you, but you entering TCMA discussions without an actual valid TCMA background, makes you a troll.
[QUOTE=Buddha_Fist;1095852]You know, you’re right - he did not mean all those schools claiming having authentic knowledge from genuine mountain hermits and that never compete as their art is too deadly… and too authentic! He meant all those crappy schools that honestly showcase their skill through competitive comparison![/QUOTE]
At last, we are on the same page.:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Buddha_Fist;1095852]This cracks me up! :D[/QUOTE]
It wouldn’t crack you up if you had an authentic TCMA background.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1095751]Can you show me where I have said that I “have only the true Wing Chun…etc.”?
The fact is that most people who practice “kung fu” in this forum, are happy with what they do. Even those who cross train their kung fu to “improve” :rolleyes: it are happy as well. However, the fact remains that most people who train kung fu are not training it as genuine TCMA, but an empty, or almost empty shell.
This is the result of the effect of the Mcdojo phenomenon on the TCMAs and it effects over 95% of the kung fu schools out there, but again, if people are happy with what they are doing, then I am happy for them, specially if they can make it work in a combat or self defense situation. However, this does not mean that they are all practicing authentic TCMA methodologies.
F*** all that BS about who has the real Wing Chun. What you said is truth:
Very true. Some people choose the kung fu path, others choose the Karate path and yet others who choose a cross training and/or MMA path.
The secret is in recognizing one’s path, and not refer to it as something which it isn’t.;)[/QUOTE]
Funny you dont even see the irony in your own posting
You talk a lot about “authentic TCMA methodologies”. I think it’s time that (for the sake of the development of the discussion) you define precisely what you mean by this.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1095751]Can you show me where I have said that I “have only the true Wing Chun…etc.”?
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You don’t come right out and say it - but you INFER it. That is the underlying tone in every one of your posts. See here with the :rolleyes: and the other bit I’ve excerpted:
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1095751]
The fact is that most people who practice “kung fu” in this forum, are happy with what they do. Even those who cross train their kung fu to “improve” :rolleyes: it are happy as well. However, the fact remains that most people who train kung fu are not training it as genuine TCMA, but an empty, or almost empty shell.
However, this does not mean that they are all practicing authentic TCMA methodologies.
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So let me ask you: do you believe that YOU possess a non-empty shell of TCMA? A complete system? Something that isn’t lacking in any areas?
[QUOTE=jesper;1095901]Funny you dont even see the irony in your own posting[/QUOTE]
You see “irony” because you misunderstand the concept that is being discussed…
You talk a lot about “authentic TCMA methodologies”. I think it’s time that (for the sake of the development of the discussion) you define precisely what you mean by this.
Thanks,
Sean[/QUOTE]
Whatever discipline will have an authentic way and many unauthentic ways as to how it is done, performed or studied. TCMAs are no different.
I you study a distince style such Wing Chun kung fu, then you need to study it with its concepts and principles in tact. You need to study it in ALL of its ranges, without falling in the trap of thinking that it is ALL about close range fighting.
You need to practice the Chi kung and Internal aspects of the art.
You need to study Wing Chun’s Chin-na/Kum-na approach.
You need to study Wing Chun’s roots and its relationship to body unity and power.
You need to eventually develop Short Power, otherwise your actions at close range are limited in their effectiveness.
AND MORE!
All within this style’s sometimes distinct concepts and principles. That will help make what you do AUTHENTIC.
So no, “I lift the shoulders when I punch, because this works for me”, or “I use Tae Kwon Do jumping kicks in my Wing Chun, because it works for me”, or even, " I use kickboxing foot work without WC rooting, because it gives me better ´mobility´, but I am still doing ‘Wing Chun’ and it is authentic, because I wish it to be"…
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1095950]Whatever discipline will have an authentic way and many unauthentic ways as to how it is done, performed or studied. TCMAs are no different.[/QUOTE]
I have to stand by what I just posted on another thread. There is no ‘authentic’ system of Wing Chun, there are however authentic teachers, each having unique teaching styles that have survived from one generation to the next.
If anyone knows of a Teacher currently living that has a secret recipe for Wing Chun itself and not just their own take on the system, please message me
I don’t understand eh??? When did I say that as well??? Chi Sau is an exercise. An exercise to prepare you for sparring.
