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Chaoticmantis,
please speak for yourself when posting and try not to say “us” or “everyone” when you base a personal opionon. there are many people out here that would truley like to get to the bottom of the truth.

many things that were told to us by Shyun turned out to be a lie. there is no need for this and i am just trying to sift through what is truth and what is a lie. if you dont want to hear what i have to say by all means just dont read my posts. But i am entilited to my opinon and this is a public open forum and i am allowed to say what i feel as well as everyone else. Please dont take this a confrontational just a point of view. be well…

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san jose

does maser chang still teach in san jose? i am interested…

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As far as I know he has a very closed door policy. He also frequnts Taiwan often and is sometimes not in the US for periods of time. he does have devoted higher level student in San Jose’ for the life of me cant remember his name right now i am drawing a blank but his screen name is Lapu squared or something like that.. sorry i could not be of more help.

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EarthDragon: Thanks for the vote of confidence. But, to set the record straight, Bokfu is Shifu Chang’s senior-most student.

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LOL sorry lapu, I was drawing a blank your right it is kenny.. AKA Bokfu

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Hey Peter,

I’ve actually met with Chang Shifu for the first time just a few months ago. He is very open and passionate about spreading the art of Ba Bu. I was excpecting to meet for dinner first to become personally acquainted, but Chang Shifu ended up inviting me to his home and we began training immediately!

He asked me to play a few sets so that he can identify my level of understanding, and from there Chang Shifu just poured out information! We covered body mechanics, stepping patterns, joint stregnth, flexibiity, and range of motion, history (Chang shared pictures and stories of the days of Wei), the 8 Throws of Babu, leaking methods, striking patterns, etc.

With all of this information, Chang Shifu remained completely open and humble. So open and trusting that he openly admits that he is not the best in Ba Bu. To say that to a complete stranger tells me that he continues to develop his skill and understanding to a standard beyond the common norm, while ensuring the integrity of the art as it is passed on.

Chang Shifu is unique in his position in that he does not allow his ability and status in the lineage to develop conceit, but rather he continues to develop skill and humility while openly sharing his knowledge and experience of Ba Bu tang Lang.

Chang Shifu is not online, however Lapu Lapu and/or Bokfu can get you in touch with him.

Best Regards,
M.Dasargo

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Mike
I am interested in the 8 throws of Babu. It seems to me that someone along the way decided that their are 8 _________ (whatevers, fill in the blank) to the Babu system, so I am not understanding if these are quite literally 8 throws, or is it eight concepts on how to throw?
Could you shed some light on this for my ignorant ass? Any video/pic’s you have demonstrating them would be awesome as well!!

Thanks
Jake :smiley:

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Great question Jake.

I am interested in what the 8 throws are also.

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Jake/Mantid1,

I’m probably not the right person to ask, as Lapu Squared would be more qualified to answer specific details.

As for my poor understanding:

All principles and techniques can be played at 3 Heights (high, middle, and low frame) and 8 Directions (front, rear, left, right, front-right, front-left, rear-right, rear-left). 8 is commonly a number chosen as it is the lowest common denominator within the primary pattern of changes/possibilities in nature. So many people consolidate all ideas into 8 techniques, from which all other variations can be spawned.

In Babu, again with my poor understanding, there are litterally 8 throws that encapsulate the princple behind Ba Bu style throwing patterns from 8 different positions in relation to the opponent.

If you are familiar with throwing, than the primary emphasis that you’ll find is that Ba Bu attacks the base of support while displacing the upper body (Enter Lower: scoop the leg and uproot the upper body), or vice versa (Enter Upper: Uproot the upper body and attacking/scooping the base of support/legs). The difference is where you draw the opponents attention.

Hope it makes sense,
Mike D.

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Hi I hope this helps. According to Master John Chang, the 8 throws are the applications to the 8 stances.

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LLS
Elaboration?? Thanks.
Mike,
You basically described any kind of good throw! Do you know anymore? Thanks for the great topic!
Cheers
Jake :slight_smile:

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As LLS mentioned, each of the 8 stances has a corresponding throw that uses that stance, typically ending the throw in the stance. One basic principle Shifu Chang teaches is that, when throwing an opponent, your body should end the throw in a solid, balanced stance. Once you’re in the right position relative to the opponent, the simple act of moving into the solid, balanced stance causes the opponent to be thrown. Hence, the relationship between stances and throws.

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for those who are interested here are the 8 stances applications including the throws

HORSE
O. PUNCHES RIGHT
D. LEFT SIDE BLOCK , GRINDING MILL , GRAB ROOT , (SO BEI)

BOW
O. PUNCHES RIGHT
D. LEFT HIGH BLOCK , GRAB RIGHT SUN PUNCH
O. LEFT HIGH BLOCK
D. RIGHT MANTIS GRAB , LEFT HOOK
O. DUCKS
D. CHOP NECK , FRONT SWEEP ( TI )

TIGER
O. PUNCHES RIGHT
D. RIGHT MANTIS GRAB , LEFT SUN PUNCH
O.HIGH BLOCKS
D. GRAB BLOCK , RIGHT HAMMER FIST TO NECK FRONT SWEEP ( TI )

MANTIS
O. PUNCHES RIGHT
D. RIGHT MANTIS GRAB , LOCK ELBOW , PULL TO GROUND ( DIAO LUO )

CROSSING LEG
O. PUNCHES RIGHT
D. RIGHT SIDE BLOCK , LEFT MANTIS GRAB , RIGHT BACK FIST
O. HIGH BLOCKS
D. RIGHT GROIN STRIKE , GRAB ROOT , X-LEG , (SO BEI)

50/50
O. PUNCHES RIGHT
D. RIGHT MANTIS GRAB , PUNCH LEFT
O. HIGH BLOCKS
D. GRABS BLOCK , RIGHT PUNCH TO GRION ,UPPERCUT , (BUNG TIAO)

FALLING
O. PUNCHES RIGHT
D. RIGHT SIDE BLOCK , LEFT ELBOW GRAB , HOP INTO ( BA SHI )

SINGLE LEG
O. ATTEMPS BEAR HUG
D. DBL BLOCKS , BOX EARS, KNEE FACE L &R ELBOW ,THROW (MA BOU TI )