6 directional force vector

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FWIW, and fme I am familiar with 6 ‘joints’ or ‘links’ which is unseparable from the older classic 6 Harmonies of traditional chinese medicine. It’s just that within martial arts we overlay these ideas to our physical and bodies.

Six joints or links of the human body are the hip, knee, ankle, shoulder, elbow and wrist. Pair them up and add the spine gives you 13 specific areas to develop and loosen with stretching and breathing exercises. All part of the skin, tendon and bone nurturing that is present in most Wing Chun I have seen.

6? 13? How does this fit into the five element theory you promote?

I can only presume all you guys who think Hei is rubbish also don’t think you can build and nurture your muscles by lifting weights?

I don’t why you think scepticism about Qi implies one must also be sceptical about anything else. To reach that conclusion imples that you have at least as poor a grasp of logic as those you see fit to criticise.

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[QUOTE=anerlich;1067014]6? 13? How does this fit into the five element theory you promote?[/QUOTE]

Dude. As I’ve always said, the 5 elements is only a part of what ‘I promote’. FWIW This 6 harmonies discussed here is practised within ALL the areas. It’s a main point of study that actually follows on from the 5 elements. The next stage if you will!

[QUOTE=anerlich;1067014]I don’t why you think scepticism about Qi implies one must also be sceptical about anything else. To reach that conclusion imples that you have at least as poor a grasp of logic as those you see fit to criticise.[/QUOTE]

Listen, what I said wasn’t being critical because if I was I would be a bit more harsh! I am trying to make a connection to people who may be sceptical because there is a direct link to hei/chi/qi and body building.

If you have experienced any heigung training you will understand this. I have met singers and musicians with better understanding of heigung than some martial artists!

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1067057]Dude. As I’ve always said, the 5 elements is only a part of what ‘I promote’. FWIW This 6 harmonies discussed here is practised within ALL the areas. It’s a main point of study that actually follows on from the 5 elements. The next stage if you will!

Listen, what I said wasn’t being critical because if I was I would be a bit more harsh! I am trying to make a connection to people who may be sceptical because there is a direct link to hei/chi/qi and body building.

If you have experienced any heigung training you will understand this. I have met singers and musicians with better understanding of heigung than some martial artists![/QUOTE]

I call SHenanigans. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS QI. Unless you can document it in unbiased experiments, saying qi exists is like saying there is a great flying spaghetti monster in the sky.

ITs complete bullsh.ite

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1067057]Dude. As I’ve always said, the 5 elements is only a part of what ‘I promote’. FWIW This 6 harmonies discussed here is practised within ALL the areas. It’s a main point of study that actually follows on from the 5 elements. The next stage if you will!![/QUOTE]

From our last discussion of the five elements, I think you need to learn more about that before considering any next stage. Dude.

Listen, what I said wasn’t being critical because if I was I would be a bit more harsh! I am trying to make a connection to people who may be sceptical because there is a direct link to hei/chi/qi and body building.

You were implying that people who didn’t agree with you had logic difficulties. Sounds critical to me. And if I have to choose between harsh and patronising, Give me harsh. Please.

If you have experienced any heigung training you will understand this.

Patronising. I did five years of IMA before I took up WC. I’ve got heigung training up the wazoo, more than you, I expect.

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[QUOTE=shawchemical;1067205]Unless you can document it in unbiased experiments, saying qi exists is like saying there is a great flying spaghetti monster in the sky.[/QUOTE]

LOOK! There’s a flying spaghetti monster! :wink:

[QUOTE=anerlich;1067205]From our last discussion of the five elements, I think you need to learn more about that before considering any next stage. Dude.[/QUOTE]

Yes. I posted the 5 element thread to try to exchange with people who understood what I was saying. Unfortunately, not many could understand me so I have to go back into myself to see where I went wrong. And I do that all the time. I am quite young dude, and have plenty of time to improve my writing.

[QUOTE=anerlich;1067205]You were implying that people who didn’t agree with you had logic difficulties. Sounds critical to me. And if I have to choose between harsh and patronising, Give me harsh. Please.[/QUOTE]

Okay, here’s a little bit of harsh.

Most people I have met that don’t agree with me end up doing so after a chat coz I’m like a dog with a bone man! I will always be critical of people who question the existence of our purest natural essence. And it sounds like you HAVE the experience, so why take offense???

[QUOTE=anerlich;1067205]I did five years of IMA before I took up WC. I’ve got heigung training up the wazoo, more than you, I expect.[/QUOTE]

So SHARE something useful for Wing Chun people here then! What are your thoughts on all this 6 directional force vector stuffs? Is that heiging or just physics 101?

I’ve tried to share what I know about similar expressions, so please share your own experience with such things…

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the chi people are like most religions. The how ease you not believe in this thing that has no proof other then a book written by people that were lucky to count. Considering our muscles work by chemical reactions and not just put energy in it like a toy the whole chi moving your muscles is a bit stupid.

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Chi = rubbish!!

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Okay, here’s a little bit of harsh.

Most people I have met that don’t agree with me end up doing so after a chat coz I’m like a dog with a bone man!

THAT was harsh? Let’s just say I’m confident I’ll remain amongst the allegedly few disagreers. Man.

And it sounds like you HAVE the experience, so why take offense???

I have the experience, yes. It was ultimately unfulfilling, unlike the more supposedly more unsophisticated and mundane types of training.

Debunking waffle != taking offense.

What are your thoughts on all this 6 directional force vector stuffs? Is that heiging or just physics 101?

If it isn’t physics, then it isn’t real. Leverage, biomechanics, all that stuff. Use it properly and the results can be inspirational.

The world is already a wonderful place without having to take this pseudomystical stuff on board. There are scientifically based and demonstrable explanations for most phenomena, but that doesn’t stop some from assuming that the fantastic or arcane-sounding explanation is better, because it sounds cooler or something or because it come from an exotic historical background, or because the voices in their head tell them so.

IMO this highlights the usual TCMA tendency to take a fairly pedestrian set of facts and pretend it is some incredible, arcane, revelation only visible to a select few, similar to the Emperor’s new clothes. Taking not even a molehil, maybe an anthill, and making it into Mt Everest.

It’s like a finger pointing to the moon, except in this case because you’re so fixated on the moon, you haven’t noticed that the finger doing the pointing is reality’s raised middle one, and it’s aimed at you.

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[QUOTE=anerlich;1067536]IMO this highlights the usual TCMA tendency to take a fairly pedestrian set of facts and pretend it is some incredible, arcane, revelation only visible to a select few, similar to the Emperor’s new clothes. Taking not even a molehil, maybe an anthill, and making it into Mt Everest.[/QUOTE]

And you have heard ME talk about Chi on this forum? In this way you describe? No. Because I haven’t.

[QUOTE=bennyvt;1067536]the chi people are like most religions. The how ease you not believe in this thing that has no proof other then a book written by people that were lucky to count. Considering our muscles work by chemical reactions and not just put energy in it like a toy the whole chi moving your muscles is a bit stupid.[/QUOTE]

Wow! Now people who believe in Chi are Religious? How nice! :smiley:

Maybe you can explain to me these chemical reactions you mention, because that’s how a muscle moves is it? It’s not just simple mechanics and that wonderful layman phrase ‘mind over matter’? Who/what ‘creates’ these chemical reactions?

If you have never felt the intention of your will controlling your body from silence, then you may not even know what your looking for on this quest for truth! I know we all use the term Chi/Qi/Hei because it’s linked to our art and ancestors, but I’m all for finding the actual scientific terms that are similar, if not exactly the same. I see similarities in practises like Yoga, Pilates and Chiropractice. And of course, I am a Star Wars fan! :wink:

Even Wikiedia has an okay summary on Qi imho…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi

And this interpretation from the japanese is probably the closest to what I understand:

“In the Japanese language, the Chinese character corresponding to “qi” () is pronounced ‘ki’. The Japanese language contains over 11,442 known usages of “ki” as a compound. As a compound, it tends to represent syllables associated with the mind, the heart, feeling, the atmosphere, and flavor”

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And you have heard ME talk about Chi on this forum? In this way you describe? No. Because I haven’t.

I wasn’t referring to you or ch’i. I was referring to the subject of the thread, which is what you asked me about.

but I’m all for finding the actual scientific terms that are similar, if not exactly the same. I see similarities in practises like Yoga, Pilates and Chiropractice. And of course, I am a Star Wars fan!

Yoga, Pilates, Chiropractic and Star Wars aren’t sciences. IMO the Alien series was better - Alien Resurrection was awful, but then so was the Phantom Menace.

Here’s Darth in one of his better moments: