Do you have any “game changers” in your style? What’s that 1 technique that defines your style? Have you explored it in all ranges? Can you make it work? Are you missing a valuable opportunity with what’s been given to you in your traditional training?
For me, it’s the du sau. With patience, and if it’s properly explored and trained, then, in theory, it should really be all that I need in a self defense or martial sport (with open fingered grappling gloves). Now there’s a lot more to my style that’s fascinating and worth exploring and combat effective, but without that fundamental du sau which can be used to great effect in the famous ou lou choi or just punching directly off of the hook with my other hand, then there’s no mantis. But it’s a real bread and butter technique. It’s worth investing in. Do you have that in your style?
[QUOTE=MightyB;1242652]du sau which can be used to great effect in the famous ou lou choi …[/QUOTE]
In the grappling art, the “(Lou Shou)” is used more often than the “(Gou Shou)” for 2 reasons:
When you use left “(Lou Shou)” on your opponent’s right wrist, your thumb is facing down and on the right (your left) of his right arm. This will force him to rotate his right arm counter-clockwise (your clockwise), which will give you a chance to move your left hand “inside and on top” of his right upper arm.
You can apply double “(Lou Shou)” and control both your opponent’s arms at the same time. When you can achieve that, you have force your opponent to play your grappling game and not his striking game.
Groin kick and eye poke/gouge. Its in every martial art out there. Yet no one uses it. Best freaking technique out there. I personally have used them in “altercations” Slows them down long enough to
I’ll not just say “1 technique” but “1 group of techniques”.
In order to use “head lock”, you have to train leg twist, leg lift, leg spring, inner heel sweep, shin bite, leg block, outer twist, front cut, foot sweep, shoulder pulling, crack, … You have to train about 25 techniques in order to support your “head lock”. The “head lock” is the root of a tree. Ther are many branches and leafs that can grow out of that root.
[QUOTE=SPJ;1242665]In Ba Ji fist,
we stress “kao”.
We kao da and kao shuai.
We may use forearm, elbow, shoulder/hip, or chest/back to kao.
We build everything else on that.
:)[/QUOTE]
You can use Kao to set up knee seize, inner hook, hip throw, leg block, leg lift, …
[QUOTE=MightyB;1242652]Do you have any “game changers” in your style? What’s that 1 technique that defines your style? Have you explored it in all ranges? Can you make it work? Are you missing a valuable opportunity with what’s been given to you in your traditional training?
For me, it’s the du sau. With patience, and if it’s properly explored and trained, then, in theory, it should really be all that I need in a self defense or martial sport (with open fingered grappling gloves). Now there’s a lot more to my style that’s fascinating and worth exploring and combat effective, but without that fundamental du sau which can be used to great effect in the famous ou lou choi or just punching directly off of the hook with my other hand, then there’s no mantis. But it’s a real bread and butter technique. It’s worth investing in. Do you have that in your style?[/QUOTE]
I don’t define the style by the technique, but more the principles or how the style uses the techniques.
Every style has basically the same techniques, but it’s all about what you emphasize and how.
For Mantis, I think in terms of control and attack. It is smart type of aggression that is conservative in leaving little to chance.
For me, I could still do Mantis if I never used another diu sau again.
I’ll not just say “1 technique” but “1 group of techniques”.
In order to use “head lock”, you have to train leg twist, leg lift, leg spring, inner heel sweep, shin bite, leg block, outer twist, front cut, foot sweep, shoulder pulling, crack, …[/QUOTE]
I would call that the principle of leg trap/control to support your attacks.
ha ha, you beat me to it. I deleted the post because I didn’t want to be rude to MB. Anyway it stands. It is overrated and has very limited use. I’m not sure MB is actually referring to diao shou by his description anyway. More like the principle of cai.
It’s quite clear that you can go pretty far in a sport setting with a small set of high percentage techniques.
When you get into street and weapons, it get’s a lil murky. But, personally, I believe the same methodology applies. Not to say there are catch all techniques for all weapons, but individually this applies. Like a set for knife defence, staff, stick, sidearm etc etc…
It really comes down to your goals and priorities. If street defence is your goal, you are best served to be a jack of all trades. To be at least functional in all likely scenarios.
“Jack of all trades master of none, often better than a master of one.” is the real quote that is, more often than not, taken out of context and used incorrectly.
[QUOTE=xcakid;1242725]Groin kick and eye poke/gouge. Its in every martial art out there. Yet no one uses it. Best freaking technique out there. I personally have used them in “altercations” Slows them down long enough to
be able to flee
give your buddies time to come and help ya
pull out a weapon and go to town on them.[/QUOTE]
You know, I have issue with the groin kick and the eye poke. If you are fighting a competent opponent, it’s hard enough to land a solid punch, let alone get a finger in the eye, especially on the street.
Quick story. There was a guy who was being a douche and I stood up to him for somebody else. He was a bully, straight up. I had no intention on combat, I just wanted to protect his victim. We had words, I said what I had to say and was quite aggressive in my speech. He took a defensive posture then outta nowhere kicked me in the nutts. That is when I decided to hurt him. And I did. Groin kicks hurt like hell, but they do not incapacitate the way people believe. All it did was piss me off to the point where I went a lil overboard and boot stomped the guy. He basically had a free shot at first strike, and he chose poorly.
to build on that, i was having a debate with a female friend a few years about self defense. she didnt think that it was necessary to train any form of defensive awareness or combatives in regards to female sexual assaults. her reasoning was that she would just ‘kick the guy in the balls’
i told her it was bs movie stuff and that it doesnt really effect a guy like they show in movies. especially an angry guy hell bent on raping you.
she didnt believe me so i gave her a free pass and stood there wide leg stance and told her to kick me in the nuts. she did, and ya it hurt like a beotch, but i immediately rushed her and took her to the ground and controlled her.
this event was especially gratifying since she was an ex.
eye poke/gouge strikes are next to worthless. a controlled gougue can take an eye out easily if you want to go that far. by controlled i mean exactly that, not trying to poke or strike an eye, but having a dominant controlled position that allows you to apply controlled force to the eyeball with a thumb or finger with the intended purpose of taking or damaging the eye, or getting a fear response by threatening to do so.
Best freaking technique out there. I personally have used them in “altercations” Slows them down long enough to