Regarding groin kick/eye poke:
In my observation, most experienced street-type fighters are well aware of these tactics, especially the groin kick. Depending on the person, the groin kick can incapacitate them, but don’t count on it. For one thing, most men expect someone to try the ball shot…exceptions might include total non-fighters, and possibly some sport TKD/karate guys (for example) with no street experience. As already mentioned, more than likely it will p!ss off the recipient to even attempt it, and adrenaline often allows him to fight through the pain long enough to beat you down. If you try it, you’d better follow up immediately with other things and not rely on it as a fight-ender.
As far as eye attacks, if you’ve ever actually been thumbed in the eye, you know it hurts like a *****, and can be much more immediately incapacitating than a groin shot, if landed solidly. Most times they seem to happen by accident. In my teens, I took a thumb in the eye intended to be a punch, that I’m surprised didn’t tear a retina nor had any lasting effects. I still rate it as the worst and most incapacitating pain ever. Immediately after the strike, I had my eye tightly closed, and when touching the lids, it felt like the eyeball had been ‘pushed in’. Gradually I had the ability to open my eye and it was back to normal, though blurry for a bit.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1242783]Regarding groin kick/eye poke:
In my observation, most experienced street-type fighters are well aware of these tactics, especially the groin kick. Depending on the person, the groin kick can incapacitate them, but don’t count on it.[/QUOTE]
Results can vary.
I did see one guy get get kicked hard enough to crack his groin cup. He passed out from the pain.
You get 1, then another, then another, different students pick different ones in different orders based upon what they do well… Not forms, fighting combos that come after forms. The pointy end of the stick.
And, seniors generally each develop a ‘signature’ move, or two.
Less is indeed more. IMHO. When it comes to fighting.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1242783]Regarding groin kick/eye poke:
In my observation, most experienced street-type fighters are well aware of these tactics, especially the groin kick. Depending on the person, the groin kick can incapacitate them, but don’t count on it. For one thing, most men expect someone to try the ball shot…exceptions might include total non-fighters, and possibly some sport TKD/karate guys (for example) with no street experience. As already mentioned, more than likely it will p!ss off the recipient to even attempt it, and adrenaline often allows him to fight through the pain long enough to beat you down. If you try it, you’d better follow up immediately with other things and not rely on it as a fight-ender.
As far as eye attacks, if you’ve ever actually been thumbed in the eye, you know it hurts like a *****, and can be much more immediately incapacitating than a groin shot, if landed solidly. Most times they seem to happen by accident. In my teens, I took a thumb in the eye intended to be a punch, that I’m surprised didn’t tear a retina nor had any lasting effects. I still rate it as the worst and most incapacitating pain ever. Immediately after the strike, I had my eye tightly closed, and when touching the lids, it felt like the eyeball had been ‘pushed in’. Gradually I had the ability to open my eye and it was back to normal, though blurry for a bit.[/QUOTE]
That eyeball pushed in thing sucks. Happened to me before, but from a punch, not a thumb. Buckled my knees.
Groin attacks (my experience) have a delay before the real pain kicks in, and in that small window, you can still strike back, if you don’t freak.
Eye attacks make people flinch and shift more, even if you miss, and a light rake is massive distraction. This makes an opening maybe? Groin is a finisher.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1242781]to build on that, i was having a debate with a female friend a few years about self defense. she didnt think that it was necessary to train any form of defensive awareness or combatives in regards to female sexual assaults. her reasoning was that she would just ‘kick the guy in the balls’
i told her it was bs movie stuff and that it doesnt really effect a guy like they show in movies. especially an angry guy hell bent on raping you.
she didnt believe me so i gave her a free pass and stood there wide leg stance and told her to kick me in the nuts. she did, and ya it hurt like a beotch, but i immediately rushed her and took her to the ground and controlled her.
this event was especially gratifying since she was an ex. :D[/QUOTE]
You sir, are a brave man. Now, I can fight and cause harm under these conditions, but make no mistake, I really didn’t like it. In fact it hurt enough for me to go from protecting an innocent to victimizing the bully. From a legal standpoint, after the first kick to the head, I was fully in the wrong. Yet I kept going and I don’t regret it even a little bit. Thankfully, he was too much of a lil dick alpha wannabe to call the police, he just denied it ever happened to anyone who wasn’t there. We actually had words again a few weeks later. I was totally bringing my knee in for that convo, lol.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1242782]as far as eye gouging goes, im of two minds.
eye poke/gouge strikes are next to worthless. a controlled gougue can take an eye out easily if you want to go that far. by controlled i mean exactly that, not trying to poke or strike an eye, but having a dominant controlled position that allows you to apply controlled force to the eyeball with a thumb or finger with the intended purpose of taking or damaging the eye, or getting a fear response by threatening to do so.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but if you are in the position to do that, you are in the wrong if you do it. That’s my point, if you can outclass them so easily, why such harsh measures?
[QUOTE=bawang;1242653]haymaker is the heart of longfist[/QUOTE]
Haymaker is the most instinctive technique there is. Children know it without trying. When I trained Karate I was always told haymaker is the worst punch, always trained to never use it, throwing haymaker meant you lost control.
In Kung Fu I was taught to use haymaker without being open. Kung Fu took natural movement and refined it, instead of doing away with it. I have always respected that.
My favorite technique is sidekick. It has served me so well, so many times. My bread and butter.
Haymaker is the most instinctive technique there is. Children know it without trying. When I trained Karate I was always told haymaker is the worst punch, always trained to never use it, throwing haymaker meant you lost control.
In Kung Fu I was taught to use haymaker without being open. Kung Fu took natural movement and refined it, instead of doing away with it. I have always respected that.
My favorite technique is sidekick. It has served me so well, so many times. My bread and butter.[/QUOTE]
As a finisher? To do damage? To keep distance? All the above?
I use front kick like a jab. I have never knocked anyone out with one. It would be nice, but my goal is to create distance and/or make them think twice about closing the gap.
[QUOTE=Syn7;1242820]As a finisher? To do damage? To keep distance? All the above?
I use front kick like a jab. I have never knocked anyone out with one. It would be nice, but my goal is to create distance and/or make them think twice about closing the gap.[/QUOTE]
I usually use it as a counter when a punch is being thrown. Throw the kick at the same time and catch ribs or solar plexus. I’ve been able to knock the wind out of a lot of guys that way. I also use it for distance “teep” style.
Sidekick isn’t good for KO because it’s hard to land to the head. I think it’s awesome for sending damage to the body though.
I never use front kick for damage, if it happens great, but that’s never the goal. I use teep to control distance/set up attack and occasionally hop in snap kick to close distance, distract from the punch.
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1242822]I usually use it as a counter when a punch is being thrown. Throw the kick at the same time and catch ribs or solar plexus. I’ve been able to knock the wind out of a lot of guys that way. I also use it for distance “teep” style.
Sidekick isn’t good for KO because it’s hard to land to the head. I think it’s awesome for sending damage to the body though.
I never use front kick for damage, if it happens great, but that’s never the goal. I use teep to control distance/set up attack and occasionally hop in snap kick to close distance, distract from the punch.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, to be clear, I meant the push kick. So I’m with ya on that. It’s a MT staple.
Haymaker is the most instinctive technique there is. Children know it without trying. When I trained Karate I was always told haymaker is the worst punch, always trained to never use it, throwing haymaker meant you lost control.
In Kung Fu I was taught to use haymaker without being open. Kung Fu took natural movement and refined it, instead of doing away with it. I have always respected that.
My favorite technique is sidekick. It has served me so well, so many times. My bread and butter.[/QUOTE]
spirit of longfist is courage, and haymaker trains courage.
[QUOTE=bawang;1242877]spirit of longfist is courage, and haymaker trains courage.[/QUOTE]
The SC “head lock” is “haymaker”. You use your forearm to hit on the back of your opponent’s head in clinching range, after you have knocked him 1/2 way out, you then lock his head and take him down.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1242895]The SC “head lock” is “haymaker”. You use your forearm to hit on the back of your opponent’s head in clinching range, after you have knocked him 1/2 way out, you then lock his head and take him down.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1242783]Regarding groin kick/eye poke:
In my observation, most experienced street-type fighters are well aware of these tactics, especially the groin kick. Depending on the person, the groin kick can incapacitate them, but don’t count on it. For one thing, most men expect someone to try the ball shot…exceptions might include total non-fighters, and possibly some sport TKD/karate guys (for example) with no street experience. As already mentioned, more than likely it will p!ss off the recipient to even attempt it, and adrenaline often allows him to fight through the pain long enough to beat you down. If you try it, you’d better follow up immediately with other things and not rely on it as a fight-ender.[/QUOTE]
Agreed! From personal experience, in my youth a friend of mine and I had been accosted by multiple individuals during which I sustained not one but two kicks to the brain housing and with adrenalin pumping I did not feel the pain until after the encounter and the adrenalin dump. It was quite unpleasant but not debilitating at the time. I’m sure it’s very subjective.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1242895]The SC “head lock” is “haymaker”. You use your forearm to hit on the back of your opponent’s head in clinching range, after you have knocked him 1/2 way out, you then lock his head and take him down.
I’ve actually landed the eye poke on 2 of the few street type altercations in the past. One was at a bar, guy had me up against the bar one hand choke and ready to punch with the other. Eye poke withe the left hand, and almost pinched of the skin off the tricep on the arm that had me in a choke. He dropped to one knee clasping his eyes and cussing profusely and the bouncers escorted both of us out.
Second incident was an altercation at a restaurant. Guy goes in for a hay maker punch, I block, eye poke and groin strike. Drop the guy to his knees, and I fled.
Another incident, not me this time. Bar fight. Guy swings a cue stick misses as he swings again, the other guy steps in and grabs arms with the cue stick, pins him and knees him to the groin, then continues to pound him to unconsciousness.
Used properly, groin kick and/or eye pokes works. Also spitting on the face quickly followed by groin kick and eye poke.
[QUOTE=Syn7;1242812]Yeah, but if you are in the position to do that, you are in the wrong if you do it. That’s my point, if you can outclass them so easily, why such harsh measures?[/QUOTE]
right. excepting in cases of justified retribution. not that i would ever do anything like that. im nice
Also spitting on the face