Well thanks for your post. When i make the statment I made…i was only referring to people who usually have something negative to say. Not to all..sorry if your offended. i dont know what you do…ne way…as for when i was coming up…if i had a choice between someone trained and street thug to fight i think the train person in most cases would be better.
Most thugs on the street have some formal martial arts or boxing under their belt. Unlike trained fighters who are lifers an do most of their fighting in the kwoon or in competitions street thugs take what they know an apply it to the streets. Some thugs usually have about four to ten years of formal training in boxing, muay thai or some other thing back in those days. They usually started when they were young an by the time their twenty they would have had training from their teen years through adolscent years. Excuse me for bad spelling. But the street thug would have less compassion or mercy than someone who is still with a school an is indoctrinated with principles of righteousness.
ne way this can go back and forth an really be fruitless. I have seen some big guys in the streets with raw power. i seen some little guys in the streets with unbelieviable power. I seen these same people hand a butt whopping to a group of people by himself.
What im saying is true enough the majority of thugs dont have formal training just street fighting experience. But even that alone is enough for some. Some are just natural fighters. An the best way to learn to fight is by actually fighting. A person who teaches himself how to fight from day one that has real motivation to fight will tear up a MMA guy. An on any given day a MMA guy will tear up a good street fighter.
Just because you are trained doesn’t mean a good street fighter cant whoop you. Some street fighters or thugs have encountered numerous martial artist and adapted their game accordingly.
Im just saying people think just because you practice something all the time doesn’t mean someone with more actual fight experience wont whoop you. WC, Muay Thai, Karate, Boxing will give you an advantage over most people. But even a golden glove boxer can get his hat handed to him by a seasoned street fighter on the wrong day. So can you!
As for backyard fighter Kimbo Slice. Yea he was an internet sensation because he was bareknuckle fighting…Kimbo Slice also got some Ground work training before he actually fought. So his game had changed long before he got in the ring. Look at his fight…he doesnt even move the same as he did with backyard brawlers. Plus the game is different. Fist or padded. You cant beat everyone. No MMA guy is unbeatable. If there were an unbeatable fighter out there he would be world renown…
As for Kimbo Slice even with his hands padded he stills beats some MMA guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2yMz3it4E&feature=related
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1162722]I train to fight for my health and to maintain as much of the athletic ability as I can which deteriorates about 20% between the ages of 25 and 75 in a best case scenario. The opponents that come up as a result of those goals are secondary. I generally avoid thugs in the street, and don’t frequent areas that contain a lot of those. If I am traveling in sketchy surroundings, I tend to migrate towards non-lethal and sometimes lethal options for personal protection, and the training that supports it - combat handgun and realistic knife training / etc. Hand-to-hand skills alone are inadequate in that environment and could lead to loss of health and life quickly.
I’m not sure what exactly you’re referring to when you say “we train”. From what I gather, you had a teenage group of Bruce Lee imitators back in the day that had sparring matches against other Bruce Lee imitators. This formed the basis of all your skill against thugs in the street. This is certainly supported by most of the video evidence you’ve presented.
The guy you’ve got presented in the videos seems to have a very low level of skill from a WCK perspective. He may be athletic, but I seriously doubt he mixes it up with fighters with a reasonable level of skill. There are plenty of those locally, but many times these guys mindset is making a living, not increasing skill levels.
The argument trying to discount athletic live training such as an MMA environment in favor of “street thugs” skills is ridiculous from every angle except for a weapons angle. If “street thugs” could make money fighting in a cage they would be doing that. They aren’t, because they’d get destroyed. For example, look at Kimbo Slice. From a “street thug” perspective, absolutely devastating, the best, etc. YouTube had the buzz going for the guy and built up a cult following where he was the “street thug of street thugs”. Put him in a scenario where ground skills are allowed, and he is easily handled by Roy Nelson, the fat MMA guy. If that were a street competition, Roy would have gotten the same takedowns and position, trapped the arm, and dropped elbows on Kimbo until he was unconscious. Unless there was a weapon or a mob of people jumping him to prevent it.
In reality, about 99% of “street thugs” are low-skilled punks trying to act hard.
In summary, reality is much different than the fantasy world you seem to live in.[/QUOTE]