hendrik, it just appeared suddenly black flag, red flag, yellow flag, green flag and white flag everywhere. you might never know if yik kam got his white crane wc from white flag wc in fukien.
so they really have these FLAG SOCIETIES as you guys are describing? before i look silly, do you guys know the backgrounds of the colored flags?
i ask because the Hung Mun has its own group of flags and colors, and minus the yellow one mentioned, it sounds similar to that of the Hung Mun.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1038291]so they really have these FLAG SOCIETIES as you guys are describing? before i look silly, do you guys know the backgrounds of the colored flags?
i ask because the Hung Mun has its own group of flags and colors, and minus the yellow one mentioned, it sounds similar to that of the Hung Mun.
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Frank,
Wing Chun Kuen means the martial art of the Opera people in early 1800 era.
Within the Opera people who practice Wing Chun Kuen are lots of Hung Mun connection such at Lee Man Mau…etc . As you could read from Rene’s article.
IE: my ancestor Yik Kam is a Hung Mun, thus he leaves us with the stanza or his operation code in his time where we could trace up to the Small knife union and Taiping heavenly kingdom and CLF’s Cheng Heung…etc.
Now, Saying the above, IMHHHHHO, it is absurd to coin a name X flag or Y color Wing Chun.
See, Wing Chun has no flag, Hung Mun is Hung Mung. They are different group of people eventhough they could be inter-related.
For example, the So called XX flag or Y color Wing Chun, IMHO, sorry that doesnt make sense at all in the history of China, the opera people catagorized things differently. the opera people catagorized group as the Male role, the female role…etc.
Again, using my Ancestor Yik Kam as example, YIk Kam is a leader in the Female role group. One can go into history and check how Lee Man Mau set up his army to see these.
And also, Some of Wing Chun kuen’s people is Hung Mun, but that doesnt mean Wing Chun Kuen is developed by Hung Mun university of martial art or the Hung Mun people is the top of this art.
Plain and simple, we know today Lee Man Mau is from White Crane Fujian. SLT is a fusion of White Crane Fujian and Emei’s snake by Miu Shun a Kwan Xi Hung Mun, Cho family art is based on CLF and southern Shaolin…
And there are lots of signatures today from different field which we could trace to see how things converge. 1800 is not too far away to find out what happen.
I personally empathy and respect to lots of royal students or followers who defends whatever their sifu told them, and facing reality is hard. But then only facing reality one could move forward, some might take a life time to walk out of the trap some might never walk out of the illusion.
There is nothing wrong with calling one’s art, the X flag Kung Fu or Y color Kung Fu but then naming it as X flag Opera performer’s Kung Fu or X flag Wing Chun kuen is just too creative and off mark. since it is not what being practice by the Opera performers in 1800 era.
As I have told some Gar decendents what they did is Cho Gar Kuen, that is not WCK and not Cho Gar Yik Kam Wing Chun Kuen if it is not the 4 section SLT from Yik Kam.
Call what you evolve or invent as it is without muddy up and screw up the source and confuse the heck out of everyone. and somedays other will find out your creation.