Hey All,
Just for fun. If this topic anoy you, please do not response to it.
As topic said,
There is no WCK, it is just White Crane Wing Chun from Fujian doing it softly. Then, keep evol and evol and evol, more things being add up…
Ok, hahahah, heat is on. Prove me wrong.
Hendrik
When I was in NYC I used to watch the White Crane people train, since they were in they same building as my Hung Ga school. It looked a lot like WC. Now I have a Chen style Tai chi sifu who studied under Sifu Ma Hong in China. He also does White Crane. I am amazed at how close they are. So you could be on to something. Who knows?
Yang Ming(sp?) -the prolific author out of bean town and who is from Taiwan crane background claims that but I think he is wrong.
The YGKYM is the distinctive wing chun signature for me.
Yang Ming(sp?) -the prolific author out of bean town and who is from Taiwan crane background claims that but I think he is wrong.
The YGKYM is the distinctive wing chun signature for me.
While the ygkym exists elsewhere- it is most fundamental in wing chun.
So- depends on the details of the meaning of “add on”".
Last months’ IKF showed a Southern Black Tiger practicioner performing a “low wing block” with a stance shift, that looked suspiciously like our low bon sao…
Hello,
Intersting topic!
I think it seems to be the case! Its way too similar! All histories state that WC was a combo of Snake and Crane so if we believe in our own history, then we should believe White Crane is part of the root!
Joy,
Yang Jwing Ming is not a practitioner of Bak Hok Weng Chun but one of the other styles. Jumping, Eating, etc..
With regards to the YJKYM view! What would happen if you took the San Chin horse and pulled one leg back so they were side by side? Add in the Siu/Zhuang component and Wallah!
Gotta run!
OK Guys,GAls,
Some one called me White Crane Weng Chun not Wing Chun Kuen in other forum. hahahah
Prove me wrong. Come on, prove me wrong with evidents.
bring up the Shao Lin connection, the Weng Chun Tien of Hu Hui Chien, the Tan Sau Ng,… HAkka… everything… All details to prove me wrong about WCK.
Otherwise, I will show you a picture every day in this post to drag you down to your knees to nail you that There is NO WCK.
WCK is just a soft vertion of White Crane Wing Chun.
Now Champion your uniquness. Otherwise, you all agree that.
There is NO WCK. hahhahhahhahahaha:D
If there is NO WCK then all the Shao lin story ect are all make up.
See, LEE MAN NAU practice White Crane Wing Chun. and He is the only REAL person who exist in the history of Qing and evolution. So where is your ancestors? Where is Wong Wah Poh? Where is Leong Yee Tai? Where is Yik Kam? Where is Hung GAm Biu? Hung GAm is just a common name of the Rebel. And LEE MAN MAU is the leader of Hung GAM. So if there is a leader of HUng GAM named HUNG GAM BIU that has to be LEE MAN MAU.
AND Lee MAN Mau, practice White Crane Weng Chun from Fujian.
NOt SHAO LIN from North. NOt Shao Lin from South, NOt Chi Shim’s ART , NOT HUNG GAR, BUT,---- White Crane WEng Chun from Fujian.
hahahah, I am playing the bad guy Je*K now. you all are police. Catch me with evidents. Nail me in the court of history.
(hey , just having fun, don’t get carry away)
You win, Hendrix. My distant ancestor Long Nose has remarkable resemblance to the White Crane WC. Another nail to the coffin is the fact he choose to call his style Wing Bird.
Regards,
Originally posted by PaulH
[B]You win, Hendrix. My distant ancestor Long Nose has remarkable resemblance to the White Crane WC. Another nail to the coffin is the fact he choose to call his style Wing Bird.
Regards, [/B]
Paul,
NOTHING about Win or Lost.
The fun part is in the process to argue and argue and asking for prove… the torturing or the History Chi Sau. It one can’t even prove there is uniqueness of WCK, where the ORIGINAL can sustain?
The bottom line of my role as a bad guy is I don’t want to WIN.
I love to see you in a helpless state trying to prove that
THERE IS WCK. hahahaha:D
Good that I am an WCK practitioner. Otherwise, I will storm RENE’s WEB SITE and proven his archive is all wrong! hahahhaha
Hey just joking ok.
Hendrix, you have just stumbled on the greatest discovery of the Grand Unification theory. As we cannot prove that we are exclusive, it is logical to infer that WCK is inclusive. And since it is inclusive we have just successfully landed on the basis that every body is the same and that there is no such thing as styles. Bruce was right all along. The man is a genius!
Regards,
Re: Hendrik
Originally posted by Phil Redmond
When I was in NYC I used to watch the White Crane people train, since they were in they same building as my Hung Ga school. It looked a lot like WC. Now I have a Chen style Tai chi sifu who studied under Sifu Ma Hong in China. He also does White Crane. I am amazed at how close they are. So you could be on to something. Who knows?
Phil,
I agree with you. There are lots behind the two.
If this topic anoy you, please do not response to it.
Hey buddy, you talkin’ to me?
Some theorists have it that WC evolved from the influence of Western boxing on KF when Gwailos started to visit the East. That theory’s somewhat less likely but just as unprovable.
I thought the Bubishi had it that Karate evolved from White Crane as well, FWIW.
In most human endeavors, few truly great things srping into being fully formed and beyond improvement. WC is more than likely a synthesis or evolution of another, or several other sources. The pole got added later, for at least one.
In the long run, it’s a historical curiosity, more power to you if that floats your boat, but IMO it makes little if any difference to the present or future.
What is the difference between Dr. Yangs Fukien White Crane and Bak Hok Weng Chun , I thought they were the same styles ?
Hello,
I thought the Bubishi had it that Karate evolved from White Crane as well, FWIW.
According to the Uechi practitioners, Okinawan arts evolved from something called Pang Guy Noon which was supposed to be White Crane. If you look at the Okinawan arts you will see they follow the same traditional numerology as the more intact south chinese arts like Jook Lum and White Crane. All start with San Chin or Som Bo Gin and they go up to 108. 3/18/108 etc..
What is the difference between Dr. Yangs Fukien White Crane and Bak Hok Weng Chun , I thought they were the same styles ?
Does Yang do Fukien Eternal Crane or one of the five styles of Crane??? I spoke with him last week about Bak Hok Weng Chun and I thought it was not the Eternal Spring White Crane but one of the other Crane variations??? I will double check and get back to you! He teaches about 25 minutes from my house.
Regards,
All this talk about Crane. What are the Snake elements to WCK?
:eek:
Tibetan?
I could be wrong but isn’t there a Chinese White Crane and a Tibetan White Crane?
Originally posted by yenhoi
[B]All this talk about Crane. What are the Snake elements to WCK?
:eek: [/B]
After all this time reading some of the posts on this forum and you don’t know yet??? tsk tsk;)
Yenhoi
The White Crane I know of uses a lot of angular stepping with bongs, tans, gans, etc. The snake uses linear strikes, biu jee, biu sau, etc.
Ive never studied any other CMA then Wing Chun. I have no “official” clue as to which parts are crane and which snake.
Thanks tho 
:eek:
If WCK is Crane/Snake… isent it the snake elements that make it unique from White Crane randomness?
